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What am I missing by not finishing a photo in photoshop?
May 11, 2020 12:07:13 #
charlienow wrote:
is that the same file for both photos...and what did you use and how did you do it?
I'm fascinated...
thanks for any insight...
chuck
I'm fascinated...
thanks for any insight...
chuck
Yes, that is the photo I started with to create "Music Memorabilia". Lightroom can do wonderful things. In LR I have retouched faces, taken items out, and moved them around, etc. But, I wouldn't even attempt a project like "Music Memorabilia" in LR. Lightroom can optimize whatever you have to start with. Photoshop can optimize whatever you imagine, whatever you can think of, thus the art or creative director idea comes in. That's all.
May 11, 2020 12:14:27 #
Whuff wrote:
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Walt
Walt
LR is a good tool for some, a blunt instrument to others.
For me LR=no use, PS CC=everyday use. Why? I am not a serial or mass shooter so I can take the time to play with each image as I want. Oh, I am retired and have all the time (left) on my hand so tweaking something to death seems to be a good idea, after all, once the (left is over) I will have something to come with me in the pine box.
To your question?
The answers will be:
YES! LR is the best!
NO! PS CC is!
Who cares? It is your choice.
Make up your own opinion and forget the rest.
It is basically like politics: for, against, who cares?
Note that as you learn more and do more you may want to change your mind set. That is what experience and flexibility does to a person.
May 11, 2020 12:19:23 #
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May 11, 2020 12:30:06 #
Paul Diamond
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
I'm still 'hands on' when retouching. I can use a package that has sliders for some overall changes in exposure, color temperature, contrast, saturation. And it will look good. But, then I see where I would like to do a bit of dodging/burning, spot color replacement (like removing a slight color cast from something white), spot sharpening or blurring, etc.
Photoshop still seems to have close to all the features lacking in the other packages. And, I'll still use a different package to sharpen, enlarge, de-noise, etc. if the picture "begs" for it. Or, if I'm planning to re-crop and then enlarge the image for printing....
Photoshop still seems to have close to all the features lacking in the other packages. And, I'll still use a different package to sharpen, enlarge, de-noise, etc. if the picture "begs" for it. Or, if I'm planning to re-crop and then enlarge the image for printing....
May 11, 2020 12:37:31 #
Paul Diamond
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
Linda From Maine wrote:
I never learned what this emoticon/emoji means. Tell me.
My guess - quizzical? deep in thought? not fully accepting, but not rejecting out of hand? - All seem to apply to the eyes and mouth of this emoticon.
But, I'm very not up to date on the young generation and their meanings of different vegetables and fruits! Watch out for eggplants.
May 11, 2020 12:55:21 #
Paul Diamond wrote:
My guess - quizzical? deep in thought? not fully accepting, but not rejecting out of hand? - All seem to apply to the eyes and mouth of this emoticon.
But, I'm very not up to date on the young generation and their meanings of different vegetables and fruits! Watch out for eggplants.
But, I'm very not up to date on the young generation and their meanings of different vegetables and fruits! Watch out for eggplants.
Answer:
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=LYO5XvDBNqSEhbIP38eB4Ag&q=cool+emoji&oq=cool+emo&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoFCAAQgwFQygpY3Ddg0EtoAXAAeACAAdYBiAH7C5IBBTAuOC4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab
May 11, 2020 14:09:52 #
Fotoartist wrote:
As a former art director I'll be glad to show something. What type of subject would you like to see a Before and After in? Just as an example...
I admire your ability to composite but that isn't the answer I was seeking. My question would be why is a photo that has been edited in Lr, not finished? I've read all the replies (3 pages worth) so far, and no one has addressed the question. Some have argued that when it is done in Lr, that it is finished. The person I quoted is a highly respected and knowledgeable member that in almost all his responses gives detailed and relevant replies so I'm thinking maybe there may be something that I'm missing, but I'm stumped to understand what that might be. I may end up sending him a PM to ask him directly, but thought it might make for a good discussion. Perhaps I should post an example of one of my photos that I think is finished in Lr, and see if anyone can show me how it can be further finished in PS.
Walt
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May 11, 2020 14:12:23 #
When I shot for 2 different newspapers the images were uploaded into Lightroom and went to print from there without ever seeing Photoshop. Someone is misguiding you.
May 11, 2020 14:15:16 #
charlienow wrote:
Very true. I’m still trying to find my way...
Take a hint ... from Old Blue Eyes !
May 11, 2020 14:16:20 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Have you heard of the term "barrier to entry&... (show quote)
Lr has been my primary editing program for a number of years and I'm still learning things I didn't know about it. I don't subscribe but still use the stand alone variety. At some future time if I upgrade from my 80D, I know I'll have to subscribe, at which time I'll probably take some instruction in it but in the meantime, I'm just trying to understand what I might be missing. I just think the person I quoted may have misspoke.
Walt
May 11, 2020 14:17:52 #
Whuff wrote:
... Some have argued that when it is done in Lr, that it is finished...
My images are occasionally sent through PS from LR. Probably only around 10% of them. When I'm done in PS, the images go back into LR. At that point they're finished by my definition. The ones that don't go through PS are just finished in LR.
I suspect that my standards are lower than those people who require PS to finish an image. In grad school we had a toolmaker whose motto was "Better is the enemy of Good Enough". In his case, it meant that trying to take that last polishing cut on an item he was fabricating could well screw it all up. But the meaning is clear to me. Get your work done to the point of acceptability and don't try for perfection, as it's unattainable.
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May 11, 2020 14:19:20 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
The same can be said for the argument against PSE'... (show quote)
I appreciate the comments Linda. I'm continually trying to improve my editing, but have to admit that there is much more that I can learn. I've struggled immensely with learning layers and how it can improve my ability.
Walt
May 11, 2020 14:21:28 #
Fotoartist wrote:
OK, Can you do what I did in the above example in LR?
Toadally beside the point. Nice work, but creating an almost completely different image is NOT “finishing”.
It would be equally foolish if I ask you if your beloved photoshop can time synch audio to video.
May 11, 2020 14:25:26 #
[quote=DirtFarmer] LR is a pretty good editor, but PS has it beat by far.
Please tell me in which way PS has Lr "beat by far." If that is the case, why would you not use it more than Lr?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.
Walt
Please tell me in which way PS has Lr "beat by far." If that is the case, why would you not use it more than Lr?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.
Walt
May 11, 2020 14:29:22 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
LR is a pretty good editor, but PS has it beat by far.
Whuff wrote:
Please tell me in which way PS has Lr "beat by far." If that is the case, why would you not use it more than Lr?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.
Walt
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.
Walt
PS has much more capability than LR because it uses layers, which LR does not.
I use LR for all my images because of the catalog. That is not available in PS (although I am led to believe that PSE has an organizer, but I've never tried PSE). Also, when I started to learn postprocessing, I started with LR. It has (to me, anyway) editing controls that are easy to use and intuitive. PS is a bit more difficult to learn and use, but as noted, does more things. I don't always need to do more things.
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