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May 3, 2020 23:25:00   #
Rondog Loc: Western Mass
 
Thanks
Ok a little history, many years ago I had a black and white dark room in my basement loved Black and white.. had an old Canon A-1 ,sold the house and moved. lost interest. after an ugly divorce went out and bought a Canon digital rebel XSI/450D which i have now. I now have new interest,but not sure the 450D is gonna cut it for landscape and other photography. i need good to excellent results as i am just a hobbyist. My question is if i get a new camara What should i get??? Cost might be a factor to a point $1000.00 or less. my 450D uses EF-S lenses.Thanking you in advance. New here just joined less than a month ago.

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May 4, 2020 00:21:25   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
If you like the Canon, look at the new SL3. Another good budget choice is one of the Sony 6000 series mirrorless cameras. You don’t need to spend a gazillion dollars to take good photographs. I have taken a lot of good photos in the past with an XSI, which you already have.

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May 4, 2020 02:04:25   #
twosummers Loc: Melbourne Australia or Lincolnshire England
 
Gotta go Mirrorless my friend. Have a look at the Canon EOS-R or the RP which is a bit cheaper - both are Full Frame cameras. Also your EF-S lenses will fit with adapter (often supplied with the camera). I also have the (non-mirrorless) Canon EOS 6D (Mark I), again a F/F camera and (as it's an old model) should be cheap to buy. I love both of these cameras and use them for leisure and business.

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May 4, 2020 05:11:16   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Your camera can use EF-s lenses, but there is no reason you cannot use full frame lenses on it. Depending on what lenses you have now (especially a kit lens), you might find the best bang for your buck would be to upgrade glass first.

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May 4, 2020 06:27:12   #
steve49 Loc: massachusetts
 
Spend a little time thinking about it.
A decent sized sensor in a digital camera will take excellent photos.
You can get a nice compact for under $1,000... w a medium zoom lens.
Will take excellent photos and be easy to carry and use.

The real question gets to be:
how much time, energy, $$$ are you interesting in investing in digital?
The whole " darkroom " process...(now called post processing) is another adventure
in digital.
What do you want to do w the photos? email them to friends? Instagram? Print and put on the walls?

Enjoy whatever you get as you get pulled into the rabbit hole of digital.

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May 4, 2020 09:24:41   #
Bison Bud
 
The move to "Full frame" can be rather controversial and expensive. While a larger sensor is almost always an enhancement, the costs involved can be somewhat restrictive to those of us on a budget. This is especially true about glass and there is a premium that must be paid to get the quality needed to fully take advantage of the FF sensor. Frankly, if your budget allows it, go for the Full Frame system and consider a mirror-less model as well. If not, a crop sensor system is your best bet and there are some fine ones out there. Frankly, there are some real deals out there in the used and refurbished market and someone's previous suggestion of a used or refurbished Canon 80D should fit your budget and serve you quite well. As for the DLSR's, the newer Canon Rebels like the 6Ti, 7Ti, and/or the 77D would also serve you well and can be found at some very attractive prices new, used, or refurbished. As also previously stated, you could then upgrade to FF compatible glass as funds allow and use this premium glass on the crop sensor body until you can afford to move up to a full frame body to complete the FF system. It pretty much boils down to how quickly you want to make the move to FF and how much money your willing to spending at the start. From your initial post, I'd recommend sticking with a crop framed system and you might be quite happy without ever needing the upgrade to full frame. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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May 4, 2020 09:48:53   #
Rondog Loc: Western Mass
 
Thanks. Been thinking I have to go full frame but maybe not mirrorless. My brother has a 5D. Mark III I might borrow and fool with. We will see how it goes

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May 4, 2020 10:08:49   #
autofocus Loc: North Central Connecticut
 
jdubu wrote:
Your camera can use EF-s lenses, but there is no reason you cannot use full frame lenses on it. Depending on what lenses you have now (especially a kit lens), you might find the best bang for your buck would be to upgrade glass first.


As far as I am concerned this is your best answer. For your needs the camera you already own will suit your requirements perfectly. As jduba said above, think about upgrading your glass. I shoot with several bodies, both Nikon and Canon, some old, some new, and my old 2005 vintage Canon 8mp 20D still sees lots of use and produces beautiful images. (I also shoot with Nikon's D300 and D850)
You can get some great deals on refurbs at Canon, and I would seriously recommend you consider that. A few years back I bought a 24-105L Canon refurb...and it hasn't been off my 20D since! It is a great all around lens, as is the case with most of Canon's "L" lenses...I think I picked it up for around $800 bucks, so it didn't break the bank when working on a budget.

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May 4, 2020 12:59:19   #
uhaas2009
 
I used the canon 300d till it broke. I hate the focus system on this body. When I look those pics today I can't complain good color, sharp enough but a little bit less data.
I would use the450 for now and look around.
I like my minolta xg 1 and my Nikon 810. The canon t3i or nikon 7000 I feeled okay but not excited.

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May 4, 2020 14:06:03   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
The most cost effective way to upgrade is to get a good, up-to-date APS-C Canon that you can use your lenses with. Going full frame would be VERY expensive because you'd be starting from scratch with the lenses, and with your budget you wouldn't be able to get a good FF camera. A second hand or refurbed crop sensor camera would be a good choice. You should be able to get their best APS-C model second hand within your budget.

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May 4, 2020 14:39:00   #
coyotecall Loc: New Mexico
 
Bison Bud wrote:
The move to "Full frame" can be rather controversial and expensive. While a larger sensor is almost always an enhancement, the costs involved can be somewhat restrictive to those of us on a budget. This is especially true about glass and there is a premium that must be paid to get the quality needed to fully take advantage of the FF sensor. Frankly, if your budget allows it, go for the Full Frame system and consider a mirror-less model as well. If not, a crop sensor system is your best bet and there are some fine ones out there. Frankly, there are some real deals out there in the used and refurbished market and someone's previous suggestion of a used or refurbished Canon 80D should fit your budget and serve you quite well. As for the DLSR's, the newer Canon Rebels like the 6Ti, 7Ti, and/or the 77D would also serve you well and can be found at some very attractive prices new, used, or refurbished. As also previously stated, you could then upgrade to FF compatible glass as funds allow and use this premium glass on the crop sensor body until you can afford to move up to a full frame body to complete the FF system. It pretty much boils down to how quickly you want to make the move to FF and how much money your willing to spending at the start. From your initial post, I'd recommend sticking with a crop framed system and you might be quite happy without ever needing the upgrade to full frame. Good luck and good shooting to all.
The move to "Full frame" can be rather c... (show quote)


This is all good advice......I'd go for the 80D 'cause I've shot a lot with it and it's precursor the 70D. BUT! On the advice of my pro-shooter son-in-law I've looked at the Canon RX10-MarkII (Ken Rockwell did a very good review of it). Yes it blows your budget (goes for around $1500) but it's an all-in-one solution, one camera, one lens (25-600 as I recall) and it's a good piece of equipment. Check it out.

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May 4, 2020 14:50:37   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Updating your camera is all well and good. But if your lens is only average or low end, that will be the weak link preventing better images. A newer body gives better ISO performance, more bells and whistles, etc. but yours is still a great camera for your needs.

I have a 5DIII for a lot of my work with a used 5DII for backup, but I still use a Rebel XT converted to IR, various *0D and both 7D models. They are still useful because I use good glass and they can work as remote cameras if needed. A good L lens will be good forever, regardless of what body you use it on. Depending on what you like to shoot, a 25-105 as mentioned above is a great all around lens. Personally, I like to pair a 16-35L with the crop sensor cameras more, but I do use the older 24-105 on the crops and the II version on the FF cameras.

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May 4, 2020 17:26:13   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
Rondog wrote:
Thanks
Ok a little history, many years ago I had a black and white dark room in my basement loved Black and white.. had an old Canon A-1 ,sold the house and moved. lost interest. after an ugly divorce went out and bought a Canon digital rebel XSI/450D which i have now. I now have new interest,but not sure the 450D is gonna cut it for landscape and other photography. i need good to excellent results as i am just a hobbyist. My question is if i get a new camara What should i get??? Cost might be a factor to a point $1000.00 or less. my 450D uses EF-S lenses.Thanking you in advance. New here just joined less than a month ago.
Thanks br Ok a little history, many years ago I ha... (show quote)


You need excellent results as you are just a hobbyist? What am I missing? And your name wouldn't be e.e. cummings jr. would it?

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May 4, 2020 19:17:34   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Think in these terms: with an RP, you can shoot all your EFs lens, and upgrade to EF lens as finances prrmit.

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May 4, 2020 20:41:32   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
Rondog wrote:
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Ok a little history, many years ago I had a black and white dark room in my basement loved Black and white.. had an old Canon A-1 ,sold the house and moved. lost interest. after an ugly divorce went out and bought a Canon digital rebel XSI/450D which i have now. I now have new interest,but not sure the 450D is gonna cut it for landscape and other photography. i need good to excellent results as i am just a hobbyist. My question is if i get a new camara What should i get??? Cost might be a factor to a point $1000.00 or less. my 450D uses EF-S lenses.Thanking you in advance. New here just joined less than a month ago.
Thanks br Ok a little history, many years ago I ha... (show quote)


I shoot with an XSi, since 2008. I am always thinking of upgrading, but haven't yet. When I upgrade, I will stay with Canon crop-sensor, because most of my lenses are EF-S. I drool over the 90D, but at $1200+ it's still out of my range. The 77d or 80d are both in your price range and you can probably get them for considerably less used or refurbished. There are pluses and minuses to each, so compare the specs. Both are 24 MP, where your XSi is 12 MP.

Unless you're making really big prints, you can still make excellent landscapes with your XSi. You might look to your glass first. To me, the biggest limitation of the XSi is its low-light performance. Push the ISO past 400 and it gets noisy fast. If you're shooting landscapes you probably want a good tripod anyway.

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