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May 3, 2020 15:04:36   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Tommy II wrote:
The man is an idiot for even suggesting that any kind of disinfectant might possibly help if taken “internally”. And he was being sarcastic. He’s a dangerous idiot.


I don't answer for Trump, he makes enough stupid comment, however:
1. Who would have believed they would use radiation to cure cancer.
2. Who believed that putting a patient in an iron lung would keep them alive.
3. Anyone think that you could use mold to cure Malaria.
5. An artificial heart to keep you alive.

My point being as of yet something that we don't know yet and might sound strange may be a cure.

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May 3, 2020 15:07:28   #
ChazT Loc: Florida
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well considering how long and drawn out the certification process is under the FDA something started back then and still "in development" would not surprise me at all. And it was very likely started as something for any number of lung ailments, like the flu etc. And now being tested for application to Covid.

Just like the two drugs that seem to help the most - when used early - started out for something else and along the way have been used for multiple virus caused problems.

I also just saw an article about the couple that drank fish tank cleaner because it has Hydroxychloroquine. The husband died and the wife claimed that she vomited it up and survived. Then she said they did it because President Trump praised Hydroxychloroquine. Well, now she is under investigation for murder and the police looked into her for spousal abuse on a prior occasion.

Oh, I took a version of Hydroxychloroquine in Vietnam in the 60s as it is a standard anti-malarial around the world. I seem to remember it doesn't taste quite as bad a quinine but it tries. So throw pill in mouth and then chug a lot of water - fast - to get it down before it started to break up.
Well considering how long and drawn out the certif... (show quote)


I was stationed in Korea during the Vietnam era and definitely had my fill of shots and pills.

My son is a Doc at a Hospital in Boston and is getting his ass kicked right now. So we can pontificate all day long about what Trump did or didn't do or say, but in the end the scientists will lead us out of this. Let's hope it's sooner than later. We're not getting any younger:)

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May 3, 2020 15:09:27   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
CWGordon wrote:
Stan: I agree w/your comments. A President has “the Bully Pulpit.” Accompanying that is the obligation to be careful with what you say, to be responsible. People will take what you say quite literally. To try to talk around something does not hide ones’ intent. Many people took him very seriously, despite a hundred years of knowledge and labelling to never ingest or use such products internally. Worse, there are groups and “scammers” who have been pushing such usage. They have been sending their documents to the President repeatedly and were bragging that they were close to getting him to come out and support their theory. Just a couple days later he did. He is not an intellectually curious person and jumps all over the place with uninformed opinions.
If people don’t believe that they should watch the real news stations. Of course, any station other than Fox, they believe are liars.
Stan: I agree w/your comments. A President has “t... (show quote)


Actually Dr Birx has stated that he got his information from a discussion he had earlier with her and Fausi about new treatments that were in the making and testing phase. These Doctors are not scammers.

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May 3, 2020 15:15:44   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
letmedance wrote:
Actually Dr Birx has stated that he got his information from a discussion he had earlier with her and Fausi about new treatments that were in the making and testing phase. These Doctors are not scammers.


Wasn't it Dr. Fausi that gave the lab in China 3.7 million dollars funded by the CDC to study the SARS virus, and now China is trying to hide where the origin of this virus started. If they are innocent why would they hide it. Also does Dr. Fausi know more than he is willing to tell. I don't have any knowledge just something smells fishy here.

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May 3, 2020 15:29:02   #
CWGordon
 
Bruce:
Why was it not wise to give money to others when the researc resultant would help us?
I was not aware that the Chinese were trying to hide how the virus started. This reflects a belief that you have already decided how it started. Don’t get me wrong. I think they hid the actual numbers that died from it. They certainly are capable of being duplicitous. That said, they had a great many lose their lives through this outbreak. Apparently, their warnings to the President began in very early January. Plenty of time to prepare. I hear “no one could have known” or predicted what was going to happen. Not true. It was predicted by unanimous Intelligence reports, by the WHO, by anyone who watched what was being made available in news reports regarding China and its’ epidemic. Did anyone who was watching or paying attention to this not see it would eventually come here? Did the need to prepare not become obvious? Was Nero busy Fiddling while Rome burned?
Even now, it seems we have returned to the policies that got us here. Deny, deny, blame, all while doing very little. It didn’t work at the onset of the problem why would we believe it will work at this point in time. Why would we trust...

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May 3, 2020 15:35:44   #
CWGordon
 
I never thought that FauCi or Birks were scammers. I think if it were true that the President got his info from the Dr.s, they would have told him it was craziness. I also believe they are under great pressure to say whatever he wants them to say. They soften what they very likely would like to say. Imagine what propaganda we would get if they “left” and other appointees were put into those positions. Whew!

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May 3, 2020 15:43:55   #
CWGordon
 
Bruce: While I appreciate your thoughts re: 4 things we never thought would cure a medical problem; I don’t agree with your premise.
a.). These “cures” were based on sound medical principles, even back then.
b.). They were not cures espoused before medical science researched them thoroughly.
c.). They weren’t being rushed through any approval process.
d.). In fact, it took years and years of painstaking research and experimentation and, yes, approval processes before being used in the medical community, at large.
e.). Promises or urgings were not being pushed irresponsibly and certainly not before their time was appropriate.

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May 3, 2020 15:59:18   #
Diocletian
 
Retired CPO wrote:
PRESIDENT Trump never suggested injecting Clorox. Watch the ORIGINAL video UNADULTERATED and you will see it was more of the same since before he won the election. FAKE NEWS!!! Crawl back under your rock.


our superbius president, how dare you infer that he's incompetent. Unfair. Fake … uh.. nevermind.

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May 3, 2020 16:09:07   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
CWGordon wrote:
Bruce:
Why was it not wise to give money to others when the researc resultant would help us?
I was not aware that the Chinese were trying to hide how the virus started. This reflects a belief that you have already decided how it started. Don’t get me wrong. I think they hid the actual numbers that died from it. They certainly are capable of being duplicitous. That said, they had a great many lose their lives through this outbreak. Apparently, their warnings to the President began in very early January. Plenty of time to prepare. I hear “no one could have known” or predicted what was going to happen. Not true. It was predicted by unanimous Intelligence reports, by the WHO, by anyone who watched what was being made available in news reports regarding China and its’ epidemic. Did anyone who was watching or paying attention to this not see it would eventually come here? Did the need to prepare not become obvious? Was Nero busy Fiddling while Rome burned?
Even now, it seems we have returned to the policies that got us here. Deny, deny, blame, all while doing very little. It didn’t work at the onset of the problem why would we believe it will work at this point in time. Why would we trust...
Bruce: br Why was it not wise to give money to oth... (show quote)


They have already proved their lack of quality control (bad drugs, contaminated pet food, tainted fish and more). China is not an open friendly nation that plays fair with the rest of the world, they are still our advisories. China stopped their own people who were investigating the origin of the virus (also reported on CNN), they stopped international investigation in both Australia and the USA, they tried to silence their doctors that first reported about the virus (now they are dead) and just today they expelled a dozen news reporters that were looking into the origin of the virus, if they have nothing to hide why stop this research. I do not have a set view on how the virus started, however it is fishy (where there is smoke there is fire). I also don't believe if it was started in the lab that they would purposely release it, however based on their shoddy procedures it could have accidentally been released. I am not defending Trump or how he reacted to the virus, what I am questioning is the origin and who is responsible. Look world wide their are 246,125 deaths that translates to families of close to 1 million people grieving for their loved ones and friends, don't you think these people deserve answers and those who contributed to this disaster (which could include Trump or not) held responsible. Even if we prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it came from a Chinese Lab and we funded it, I don't think we would go to a physical war over it.

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May 3, 2020 16:53:27   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
bwana wrote:
Developing and testing a viable vaccine is only part of the problem. Consider how to manufacture, distribute and administer 7 billion doses of the vaccine!

bwa


You right. Indeed most will not receive any vaccine if it ever becomes available. The majority of humanity is too poor.

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May 3, 2020 17:04:28   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
CWGordon wrote:
Fetzler: I appreciate and respect your position and argument, however, I would prefer that you do not make statements about what I believe or don’t believe w/o knowing me.
I appreciate that your Mother took risks in giving birth. However, if available, I am sure she also had you given vaccines for such diseases as Polio, etc.
You are right about people making or taking risks. I don’t see peple committing suicide as big risk takers. Seemingly, they are running away from risks. I have known people who made this choice and feel greatly saddened by their loss of life and the pain it caused others.
Taking risks today with pandemics is often used as justification for not following guidelines responsible medical and scientific experts have recommended. The risk one takes in not following guidelines is not solely isolated to themselves. Lengthening, widening, worsening the Pandemic poses risks to others. Most people do not want to hide under a rock. That is far from being accurate. However, most people would like to feel more sure that the disease is really under control before being shut down a second time should there be evidence that we reopened too soon. There is nothing irresponsible in being cautious or in following sound medical advice.
We accept seat belts and helmets as cautionary and measures that cut down, not eliminate danger or harm to ones’ health. I have never liked helmet laws, but would never accept that my passenger should not wear one. I wore one always, but bridled at having to wear one. My common sense told me it was a law intended to protect me. Still, it was a risk others were willing to take, but no passenger should ever have been put at risk by a careless or reckless driver when they had no control over their situation. That is my analysis/correlation of my feelings re: risk and willingness to take it. Your risk rights end where my risk rights begin.
Thank you for your kindness in responding to my questions.
Fetzler: I appreciate and respect your position ... (show quote)


Just so you know, I was born before there were vaccines for most viral diseases including polio. My mother didn't wait. You can do as you please but the fellow whose business is about go bankrupt should have the right to open up and attract the customers that are willing come.

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May 3, 2020 17:08:31   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
fetzler wrote:
You right. Indeed most will not receive any vaccine if it ever becomes available. The majority of humanity is too poor.


I saw on CNN today where Dr. Fausi stated that the earliest a vaccine can be expected to the public is January of 2021. That is a long time to wait, and where I live I am in forced quarantine where I can't leave my one room apartment or have visitors and my meals are delivered to my room. No one but the workers can enter the room (wearing full protection: masks, shields and hospital type gowns), they don't talk to us they just deliver meals, make beds, empty garbage cans.

We are social creatures and without human contact how long can we exist without having people to talk with, see and touch. When this is all over and we survive I hope they have enough psychiatrists to go around, those living with others might need divorce lawyers or pediatricians.

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May 3, 2020 17:09:49   #
flashgordonbrown Loc: Silverdale, WA
 
CWGordon wrote:
Fetzler: I appreciate and respect your position and argument, however, I would prefer that you do not make statements about what I believe or don’t believe w/o knowing me.
I appreciate that your Mother took risks in giving birth. However, if available, I am sure she also had you given vaccines for such diseases as Polio, etc.
You are right about people making or taking risks. I don’t see peple committing suicide as big risk takers. Seemingly, they are running away from risks. I have known people who made this choice and feel greatly saddened by their loss of life and the pain it caused others.
Taking risks today with pandemics is often used as justification for not following guidelines responsible medical and scientific experts have recommended. The risk one takes in not following guidelines is not solely isolated to themselves. Lengthening, widening, worsening the Pandemic poses risks to others. Most people do not want to hide under a rock. That is far from being accurate. However, most people would like to feel more sure that the disease is really under control before being shut down a second time should there be evidence that we reopened too soon. There is nothing irresponsible in being cautious or in following sound medical advice.
We accept seat belts and helmets as cautionary and measures that cut down, not eliminate danger or harm to ones’ health. I have never liked helmet laws, but would never accept that my passenger should not wear one. I wore one always, but bridled at having to wear one. My common sense told me it was a law intended to protect me. Still, it was a risk others were willing to take, but no passenger should ever have been put at risk by a careless or reckless driver when they had no control over their situation. That is my analysis/correlation of my feelings re: risk and willingness to take it. Your risk rights end where my risk rights begin.
Thank you for your kindness in responding to my questions.
Fetzler: I appreciate and respect your position ... (show quote)

Well,the truth about this 'pandemic' is hard to pin down. Firstly, the models vastly overestimated the mortality rate, because they vastly underestimated the infection rate. It seems in California they found that the infection rate was far greater than they were using for their models. This then led to finding that the mortality rate was 20 to 40 times lower. They found that most of those infected had mild to no symptoms, rendering the scare tactics bogus. This isn't to say that there aren't many severe cases and deaths, but that fact needs to be taken into consideration when making public policy. In point of fact, cost/risk benefit analysis is used every in all segments of society to make sometimes far reaching decisions. In this case, it turns out that the average person has a 1/20th to 1/10th of a % chance dying of Covid 19. Compare that to mortality rates for many other causes ( driving, for example), and the perspective changes. Life happens, and if we continually live in fear, we'll accomplish very little!

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May 3, 2020 17:12:20   #
flashgordonbrown Loc: Silverdale, WA
 
repleo wrote:
The remarkable thing is that one tongue in cheek comment (mine), could provoke such an avalanche of vitriolic response to defend the indefensible. In true Trumpilian fashion, many descended to Trump's favorite tactic of personal attack and name calling to counter any uncomfortable news.

'Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.'


TDS possibly?

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May 3, 2020 17:22:25   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
repleo wrote:
I don't see intravenous Clorox listed in the article. That will be the game changer.


Hay, I take Clorox (well, it is called Chloride) as a medication mixed with Potassium once a day to counteract Trospium Chloride which robes me of Potassium. I know this sounds crazy, but I take (ordered by my doctor) 16 medications with at least 4 designed to counter other medications that rob me off other minerals.

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