ChazT Loc: Florida

Very interesting considering this abstract is dated June 15th 2003.

flashgordonbrown Loc: Silverdale, WA

If he said that green vegetables are good for you the media would report that he said that you should eat the clippings when you mow your lawn!, There are no more journalists in the media anymore, just editorialist/commentators!

CWGordon

Fetzler: I appreciate and respect your position and argument, however, I would prefer that you do not make statements about what I believe or don’t believe w/o knowing me.
I appreciate that your Mother took risks in giving birth. However, if available, I am sure she also had you given vaccines for such diseases as Polio, etc.
You are right about people making or taking risks. I don’t see peple committing suicide as big risk takers. Seemingly, they are running away from risks. I have known people who made this choice and feel greatly saddened by their loss of life and the pain it caused others.
Taking risks today with pandemics is often used as justification for not following guidelines responsible medical and scientific experts have recommended. The risk one takes in not following guidelines is not solely isolated to themselves. Lengthening, widening, worsening the Pandemic poses risks to others. Most people do not want to hide under a rock. That is far from being accurate. However, most people would like to feel more sure that the disease is really under control before being shut down a second time should there be evidence that we reopened too soon. There is nothing irresponsible in being cautious or in following sound medical advice.
We accept seat belts and helmets as cautionary and measures that cut down, not eliminate danger or harm to ones’ health. I have never liked helmet laws, but would never accept that my passenger should not wear one. I wore one always, but bridled at having to wear one. My common sense told me it was a law intended to protect me. Still, it was a risk others were willing to take, but no passenger should ever have been put at risk by a careless or reckless driver when they had no control over their situation. That is my analysis/correlation of my feelings re: risk and willingness to take it. Your risk rights end where my risk rights begin.
Thank you for your kindness in responding to my questions.

CWGordon

WessoJPEG:
I cannot believe how tasteless your “Go kill babies” remark is. Why would you need to be this insulting? You could have communicated so much better if you had just stated your belief that you heard and know what he said.
I have never complained to mgmt. about others remarks. But, yours was the closest I have read to being truly objectionable.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

I saw that , it is a mild solution of some form in a nebulizer or ventilator that is breathed in and it destroys bacteria and viruses in the air going in and out of the lungs at the same time. In the experimental stage and only under hospital conditions.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Well considering how long and drawn out the certification process is under the FDA something started back then and still "in development" would not surprise me at all. And it was very likely started as something for any number of lung ailments, like the flu etc. And now being tested for application to Covid.

Just like the two drugs that seem to help the most - when used early - started out for something else and along the way have been used for multiple virus caused problems.

I also just saw an article about the couple that drank fish tank cleaner because it has Hydroxychloroquine. The husband died and the wife claimed that she vomited it up and survived. Then she said they did it because President Trump praised Hydroxychloroquine. Well, now she is under investigation for murder and the police looked into her for spousal abuse on a prior occasion.

Oh, I took a version of Hydroxychloroquine in Vietnam in the 60s as it is a standard anti-malarial around the world. I seem to remember it doesn't taste quite as bad a quinine but it tries. So throw pill in mouth and then chug a lot of water - fast - to get it down before it started to break up.

repleo Loc: Boston

The remarkable thing is that one tongue in cheek comment (mine), could provoke such an avalanche of vitriolic response to defend the indefensible. In true Trumpilian fashion, many descended to Trump's favorite tactic of personal attack and name calling to counter any uncomfortable news.

'Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.'

bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada

Developing and testing a viable vaccine is only part of the problem. Consider how to manufacture, distribute and administer 7 billion doses of the vaccine!

bwa

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

I’m confused again. Since left leaning people say you can’t believe a word the President says how are you supposedly taking what you were told he said as a directive?

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

I heard the doctors on TV last Friday about their ongoing research. I checked out what they were saying on Google and found several abstracts. So I posted.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Perfect logic doesn't apply in this case with them.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

We don't need 7 Billion doses, BTW. There aren't that many people in the world. Besides we take care of our country FIRST.

But consider this. President Trump has implemented Operation Warp Speed in which massive quantities of drugs will be produced during the testing stages of the vaccine process in anticipation that it will eventually be successful and 100 million doses of the vaccine will be ready to get to the people from day one. This is expected to save 6 months of time in the regular process and it's the difference between January and July. This has never been done before.

Extraordinary actions and thinking from the president.

CWGordon

Dear Clint:
A responsible President would never have brought up such a ridiculous idea; knowing that so many well-intentioned people “hang on every word” he says. I never said it was a Directive and am unsure how you arrive at that conclusion. I do believe that he would say whatever he might believe at a particular moment in time and attempt to avoid any blame for whatever harm might occur, by stating it in a manner that gives him future plausible deniability for whatever harm is done.
I never see him answer a question with a real answer. A politicians way of avoiding the consequences for what they say. That people can argue what he said meant something specific is hard for me to believe. But, more to the point what he said was irresponsible and no way do I see there is anything but DENIAL in arguing against that. His statements led to thousands of inquiries across the Country to ask health officials if this was a good idea. This is the predictable and consequential result of making irresponsible statements when you are in a high position of authority.
I read so many comments here that I never hear from responsible news journalists and wonder what radical source these come from. As always, we believe what we want to believe. It is my opinion you need to hear this stuff from, at least, three sources before beginning to believe it. That is left, right, and in-between. Too few of us will do that these days.

Tommy II Loc: Northern Illinois

The man is an idiot for even suggesting that any kind of disinfectant might possibly help if taken “internally”. And he was being sarcastic. He’s a dangerous idiot.

CWGordon

The President has promised THREE HUNDRED MILLION doses by January, not 100 million. Why might so many more than that be necessary? Because 1 might not be enough for many people. Because anyone entering a workplace might have a new infection, as it is not sure that the innoculation/vaccine will be effective for everyone. I had not heard that a billion was contemplated. However, if this number is being put forth by medical authorities I would listen carefully to how that number became their target number. I have heard little, if anything, that has been far from accurate, so far. I would think it unlikely to be starting up now. The 300 million we have heard projected by Donald Trump would appear difficult to achieve. While this latest possibility seems promising, we have not yet achieved much in the way of studies saying how effective it might be. Production is, but one step in the process. Hopefully, the research which continues will support the efficacy of using this drug. There may be production problems, there may be scientific issues that arise that cause delays. We just don’t know enough yet. With some estimates of the mutations of this virus reaching or exceeding 30, for how many strains will the vaccine be effective. We all want a cure. No vaccine is a cure. It is a preventer of the disease not a cure. The flu vaccine is, some years, pretty effective. Some years, not so much. Depends on which strain hits the population and which vaccine will be used that year. Many people do not take the Vaccine for fear it might actually give them the flu. Others have reactions they wish to avoid. How effective will the Vaccine be if many refuse to take it? We have people who won’t even wear a mask or social distance! We have protestors who don’t want to stay home or take other cautionary steps. Are they gonna want to take the Vaccine? Will this Government mandate it? I am sure not. If the gun-toting protesters feel it is a Constitutional question now, what are their positions going to be regarding mandatory injections?