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‘Wannabe dictator’: Investigative journalist explains how Trump just asserted unlimited presidential power
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Apr 14, 2020 22:44:04   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
gag trump and let pence read his speechs

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Apr 14, 2020 22:50:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
bull drink water wrote:
gag trump and let pence read his speechs


But those with bulimia would have to go back to sticking a finger down their throat, and that is not recommended during this Era of the Coronavirus.

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Apr 14, 2020 23:11:43   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Kraken wrote:
A pair of Donald Trump tweets Monday show beyond all doubt that he has no idea what’s in our Constitution and fashions himself a Sun King on the make, a wannabe dictator.

Trump asserted, wrongly, last July that thanks to our Constitution “I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president.”

He has said that again and again as this video compilation shows.

Of course, Article II of our Constitution strictly limits what any president can do, basically requiring limiting him to carrying out the will of Congress, the Article I branch of our government. But Trump doesn’t understand that, or he doesn’t care.

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That ignorance was on full display late Monday morning when Trump tweeted this:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/wannabe-dictator-investigative-journalist-explains-how-trump-just-asserted-unlimited-presidential-power/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4287

Now Trump, to be fair, does have some authority to close and open facilities, but his role is very restricted. He can shut down national parks, for example. He could close the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, which would be understandable considering the way he slithered out of the draft by claiming bone spurs he says he no longer recalls.

But opening up city halls, courthouses, shopping malls, downtown furniture stores and schools?

Trump didn’t shut any of those down. Trump has zero authority to declare them open for business as usual. Governors, and in some cases mayors, hold those powers under outer constitutional system.

How about ordering people to stay at least six feet apart? Notice that the five o’clock follies at the Trump White House, a substitute for his campaign rallies, are always about “recommendations.” That’s because our Constitution does not empower Trump to force — and, should you disobey him – to enforce physical distancing except on federal property.

The people who should be screaming from the rooftops about Trump’s claims of unlimited power and trampling on the powers of the states are the federalists, as in the rightwing Federalist Society. That’s the prominent pseudo-guardian of our liberties that influences, if not outright picks, Trump’s federal court and federal agency board nominees.

When Obama was president, the 70,000-member Federalist Society was oh so worried about Obama creating an “imperial presidency,” that it held conferences to inform members and alert the public to imagined presidential power plays.

So, what has the society said about Trump’s actual claims of unlimited power during the pandemic? Not even a passing mention at its website to Trumpian assertions of unlimited constitutional powers.

Board co-chair Steven G. Calabresi, a Northwestern University law professor, is not just silent on Trump as imperialistic president, he has been promoting cockamamie theories supporting Trump. The other co-chair, Leonard A. Leo, stays silent. Ditto Eugene B. Meyer, the society president and CEO.

What’s scary about Trump’s assertions of power is not that he lacks such power. It’s that Trump has no idea that he lacks it, and his Republican Party enablers cover their ears and look the other way.
A pair of Donald Trump tweets Monday show beyond a... (show quote)

Unlike you Trump acknolledged his statement about opening the government was a local power not a presidential power. Trump can realize his mistake. Can you accept your mistakes

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Apr 14, 2020 23:21:27   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
boberic wrote:
Unlike you Trump acknolledged his statement about opening the government was a local power not a presidential power. Trump can realize his mistake. Can you accept your mistakes


Trump did a 180 on his statement about his power over governors, but he sure did it in a convoluted way. And he closed the presser with a comment that suggested he still wants to authorize action by the governors. He just cannot be seen to admit to a mistake.

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Apr 14, 2020 23:42:32   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Actually I had that figured out already, but I wanted you to discover it yourself... sort of have your epiphany.

So your statement was, "It is no longer a valid question when the asker has taken, and is still taking, both sides."

Can you show me in Robert's Rules, or the manual of logical thinking, or the rules of debating, or whatever book you want to pull out, where that "rule" is stated? From my perspective the question still stands... and you still have not answered.

FWIW, since you like to think of yourself as a teacher/tutor/mentor I will tell you that I had a "real" teacher (i.e., not you) in school who prodded students to think by always asking them questions. One of his favourite techniques was to push and push for a student to make their argument against his position. Being "the teacher" and being "smarter that the students" he often convinced the students that he was right. But as soon as the student acquiesced the teacher would flip sides and start arguing against what he had just led students to conclude as correct.

But please, I beg of you, do not adopt this technique in your "teaching;" it takes a professional to pull it off successfully.
Actually I had that figured out already, but I wan... (show quote)

It’s a shame their efforts didn’t take.

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Apr 15, 2020 00:02:00   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Trump did a 180 on his statement about his power over governors, but he sure did it in a convoluted way. And he closed the presser with a comment that suggested he still wants to authorize action by the governors. He just cannot be seen to admit to a mistake.


I heard hi say "in consultation" with governors, not autherize

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Apr 15, 2020 00:35:52   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
boberic wrote:
I heard hi say "in consultation" with governors, not autherize


Here is a quote from his speech today:

"I will be speaking to all 50 governors very shortly and I will then be authorizing each individual governor of each individual state to implement a reopening, and a very powerful reopening plan, of their state at a time and in a manner as most appropriate."

At the end just before leaving the podium he said that he would be closely watching governors and that he would "come down on them very hard" if they do not do a good job.

I suppose you can call that "consultation" if you choose. It sounds more like attempted coercion to me.

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Apr 15, 2020 00:41:05   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
LWW wrote:
It’s a shame their efforts didn’t take.


Nice deflection. You did not substantiate your claim that the question I posed to you is no longer valid, and you still did not answer the question.

I have no desire to continue this round of the game. Your acquiescence is noted and accepted.

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Apr 15, 2020 15:08:49   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
But those with bulimia would have to go back to sticking a finger down their throat, and that is not recommended during this Era of the Coronavirus.


with trump you don't need a finger down the throat to throw up.

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Apr 16, 2020 06:25:10   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Here is a quote from his speech today:

"I will be speaking to all 50 governors very shortly and I will then be authorizing each individual governor of each individual state to implement a reopening, and a very powerful reopening plan, of their state at a time and in a manner as most appropriate."

At the end just before leaving the podium he said that he would be closely watching governors and that he would "come down on them very hard" if they do not do a good job.

I suppose you can call that "consultation" if you choose. It sounds more like attempted coercion to me.
Here is a quote from his speech today: br br &quo... (show quote)

The federal gubmint has long brow beaten the states into submission.

A classic example is highways.

Nothing in the COTUS gives the feds speed limit jurisdiction, but they impose their will by withholding funding to those who do not yield to federal will.

Trump is only using the levers of power that the left has demanded into existence.

Why does this only bother you now?

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Apr 16, 2020 08:14:27   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
LWW wrote:
The federal gubmint has long brow beaten the states into submission.

A classic example is highways.

Nothing in the COTUS gives the feds speed limit jurisdiction, but they impose their will by withholding funding to those who do not yield to federal will.

Trump is only using the levers of power that the left has demanded into existence.

Why does this only bother you now?


How do you know it did not bother me before? Yet another unfounded LWW-twisted-logic conclusion.

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Apr 16, 2020 08:24:51   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
JohnFrim wrote:
How do you know it did not bother me before? Yet another unfounded LWW-twisted-logic conclusion.


Lww's avatar should be a picture of Chubby Checker because of the way he loves to twist everything

around.

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