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Mar 22, 2020 11:42:49   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
phv wrote:
I’m strictly an amateur, and have Nikons (7200, 3500), and various zoom and prime Nikon lenses which are pretty heavy. I’ve had the Sony Rx IV for a year and it’s my favorite camera (after learning the menu). It’s light so I can trudge around and do my bird photography without carrying pounds of gear. It’s versatile with its zoom, and the quality is pretty good! I’ve taken some wonderful birds in flight and in repose and find I simply enjoy the camera the best over my Nikons. If you are a professional, you probably don’t want the Sony, but for me, it’s a wonderful choice. I can send you samples of images if you’d like.
I’m strictly an amateur, and have Nikons (7200, 35... (show quote)


Tks, sent reply via pm.

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Mar 22, 2020 11:44:42   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
WarpedWeaver wrote:
My older XT-2 has easily navigated menus. I can't imagine that Fuji tried to complicate things on their menu. Besides, after customization, I rarely ever have to dive into the menu anymore. Just sayin'. But you really need to play with the cameras to determine which is best for you, IMHO. I am sure you could be happy with any listed.


Tks, see my earlier comment regarding checking them out st my local b&m.

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Mar 22, 2020 12:57:13   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
DeanS wrote:
Considering replacing my Leica V-Lux 4 with one of these id’ed above. The material I have seen on the newer Leica, V-Lux 5, was not very positive. My research on the three mentioned makes deciding difficult.

Interested in opinions from Hoggers who have hands-on experience with one or more of these. Please, no conjecture. Tia. 😎


X-T4 is not available yet, but It is likely to have many of the characteristics as the other x cameras, only better! I think it is likely to be the best of the crop format MILC's now on the market. Ease of use, and IQ of the X's are superior to all the others.

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Mar 22, 2020 13:10:06   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
CatMarley wrote:
X-T4 is not available yet, but It is likely to have many of the characteristics as the other x cameras, only better! I think it is likely to be the best of the crop format MILC's now on the market. Ease of use, and IQ of the X's are superior to all the others.


Tks Cat, see my more recent posts above.

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Mar 22, 2020 13:10:25   #
dick ranez
 
I find the Sony too small for my hands, but it's compact size makes it fit in my pocket. Images are good, zoom range is exceptional for a camera that size. The Fuji XT4 isn't shipping yet, would be a major step up financially but all reports suggest it is a significant improvement over the XT3. Given your choices, I'd get an XT3 or 4 (when available in June or so) but to match the lens coverage of the other two choices would be expensive. I've only held the Nikon in a store and wasn't much interested.
If you're looking to upgrade the Leica, consider the newest Panasonic FXxx series It's the same camera as the Leica newer version minus some software and the red dot. I've used the FZ2000 with a long zoom range for movies of my grandson playing baseball and was satisfied with the results. I can't compare the menu systems, but the panasonic seemed straight forward to me. I think there is a newer version (FZ2500?) but haven't really looked for one.

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Mar 22, 2020 13:15:55   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
DeanS wrote:
Considering replacing my Leica V-Lux 4 with one of these id’ed above. The material I have seen on the newer Leica, V-Lux 5, was not very positive. My research on the three mentioned makes deciding difficult.

Interested in opinions from Hoggers who have hands-on experience with one or more of these. Please, no conjecture. Tia. 😎


The cameras in which you are interested are really not directly comparable. The RX10 is a "one inch" sensor which is 4X the area of the Nikon's. But the Fuji is a crop sensor camera thus has a much bigger sensor than the RX10. If you want to look at crop sensor cameras you may want to include the SONY a6400 or a6500 and others of that genre.

Since the sensors vary so much in size, the balance between size/weight on one hand and equivalent tele-zoom on the other will also vary hugely. Put simply, the smaller the sensor the greater the apparent focal length for a given actual, physical focal length. That is how the P900/950/1000 can have such large zoom reaches.

If image quality is important then you should look at this issue. Good information on IQ can be found for most cameras on the Imaging Resource web site.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
Regarding dynamic range and noise, be sure to look carefully at
https://www.photonstophotos.net/index.htm

Lastly, you are wise to hold and perhaps try the candidates. I rented the RX10m3, for example. I was startled at how good my results were and bought one. I did not expect that at all. I have the RX10m4 now. YMMV. Even holding one in the store is not going to give you the information about how well you can use it.

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Mar 22, 2020 13:39:20   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
DeanS wrote:
Considering replacing my Leica V-Lux 4 with one of these id’ed above. The material I have seen on the newer Leica, V-Lux 5, was not very positive. My research on the three mentioned makes deciding difficult.

Interested in opinions from Hoggers who have hands-on experience with one or more of these. Please, no conjecture. Tia. 😎

I've had the RX10 III and now the RX10 IV. I bought the IV on the basis of my great experience with the III.

The IV is my grab 'n go camera and sits on the kitchen counter ready to perform!

I also own Sony's A7S (full spectrum converted for IR and astrophotography), A7 III (for nightscape and full frame photography) and A6000 (to be converted to mono at some point in the future). Along way I've also had an A7 II, A7R and A7R II. The A7R III in on my wish list.

Good luck in your decision process but you can't really go wrong with the RX10 IV!

bwa

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Mar 22, 2020 14:03:25   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Many thanks to all who have provided their experiences and opinions. I am in no hurry to replace my Leica V-Lux 4 at this point as it still functions in a somewhat crippled mode. Plan to visit my local b&m after the new Fuji is available.

Tks again.

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Mar 22, 2020 14:03:33   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Many thanks to all who have provided their experiences and opinions. I am in no hurry to replace my Leica V-Lux 4 at this point as it still functions in a somewhat crippled mode. Plan to visit my local b&m after the new Fuji is available.

Tks again.

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Mar 22, 2020 14:06:27   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Haven’t handled the X-T4 yet (not available yet locally), but owning an X-T2 and having shot an X-T3 many times, I would think you can get a feel for the X-T4 by handling the X-T3. As I read the specs, the big advantage from the 4 is IBIS, but don’t forget that many of the Fuji lenses have IS in the lens (which is actually generally more effective on telephoto when you need it most). Obviously since I chose Fuji to go along with my Canon system. I recommend it highly, but I would point out what I feel are 3 major strong points of the system: larger sensor (for better low light/high ISO capability), easiest controls (everything you need is a manual control, not a menu entry), and the excellent quality Fuji lenses which are world class.

Good luck with your decision. You might talk with Doug Pitts at Southeastern Camera. He’s a working pro that shoots Nikon for work, but Fuji everywhere else and was responsible to getting both me and my son on the Fuji bandwagon.

Stay well,
Chris

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Mar 22, 2020 14:39:50   #
lhardister Loc: Brownsville, TN
 
bwana wrote:
I've had the RX10 III and now the RX10 IV. I bought the IV on the basis of my great experience with the III.

The IV is my grab 'n go camera and sits on the kitchen counter ready to perform!

….

Good luck in your decision process but you can't really go wrong with the RX10 IV!

bwa


I have Canon 7Dii, Canon 6Dii, Sony A6000, Nikon B700, and a couple of Sony Nex's. After purchasing Sony RX10iv last October, I completely agree with the foregoing statement. The RX10iv is already the one that I think about first when I am thinking about shooting images, virtually regardless of the type/nature of the images.

Best regards
lhardister

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Mar 22, 2020 14:40:57   #
desert-view
 
tomad wrote:
I have 3 Sony RX10 cameras including the IV. As another person said it depends on what you like to photograph. One of my photo hobbies is wildlife and having a 600mm lens in a package that can be hand held, even for fast moving animals like birds in flight was necessary. The RX10 IV is probably the best camera out there that fills that need as it is relatively small and lightweight, has super fast, accurate focussing and can shoot 24 frames per second, (and the 600mm reach). The lens goes to 24mm on the wide end so it is also good for landscapes and just about every other kind of photography. The only thing it has trouble with is astro photography because of the smaller sensor and the noise that comes with that at high ISOs. If you don't like cranky menus that may be a problem though as everyone (except me) complains about Sony menus. Using all the programmable buttons on the camera I seldom have to go into the menu system as all the settings I normally use are on a button.
I have 3 Sony RX10 cameras including the IV. As a... (show quote)


I began as a bridger about 10 years ago but now I am a dedicated Sony user starting with the A6000, then the A6500 with success in landscape, travel, family portraits, movies, and general photo-journalism. However when it came to my other hobby, Radio-controlled, high-speed model airplanes, I realized there was somethings lacking in trying to reliably photograph these small, incredibly fast moving subjects in flight. First of all, the Sony line of bright stabilized zoom lenses is very expensive and not really in the super zoom category. Secondly, trying to use other brand zoom lenses on the Sony, by consensus, results in significant loss of focusing speed and thereby tracking capability. Another flaw was the ability to continuously zoom into digital (clear image zoom) with zoom rings.

So, in November 2019 I bought an RX10m4 with assurances that the menu is similar to other new Sony cameras(I have 2 already), and that I could still use raw* out to 600mm(equiv) and the Zeiss glass is astonishingly sharp even within a one inch, 21mp sensor. After covering two major model airplane events, one of which was primarily turbojet (200mph) models, the results are in: The RX10M4 is perfect for this application and outstanding for most photography genres.

*Note JPG is required for clear image zoom.



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Mar 22, 2020 15:27:59   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
desert-view wrote:
I began as a bridger about 10 years ago but now I am a dedicated Sony user starting with the A6000, then the A6500 with success in landscape, travel, family portraits, movies, and general photo-journalism. However when it came to my other hobby, Radio-controlled, high-speed model airplanes, I realized there was somethings lacking in trying to reliably photograph these small, incredibly fast moving subjects in flight. First of all, the Sony line of bright stabilized zoom lenses is very expensive and not really in the super zoom category. Secondly, trying to use other brand zoom lenses on the Sony, by consensus, results in significant loss of focusing speed and thereby tracking capability. Another flaw was the ability to continuously zoom into digital (clear image zoom) with zoom rings.

So, in November 2019 I bought an RX10m4 with assurances that the menu is similar to other new Sony cameras(I have 2 already), and that I could still use raw* out to 600mm(equiv) and the Zeiss glass is astonishingly sharp even within a one inch, 21mp sensor. After covering two major model airplane events, one of which was primarily turbojet (200mph) models, the results are in: The RX10M4 is perfect for this application and outstanding for most photography genres.

*Note JPG is required for clear image zoom.
I began as a bridger about 10 years ago but now I ... (show quote)

Nice image! bwa

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Mar 22, 2020 16:11:13   #
Pixtaker
 
I have the RX 10Mk4, A7III, A7RIII,A7RIV, Fuji XT1, 2 and 3, Xh1, and X100V, as well as several Nikons including D850.

The RX 10 is with me always simply because it is so versatile with the 24-600 focal length to the macro capabilities. I print images up to 12x19 with no problems.

Attached are images from RX10MKIV.











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Mar 22, 2020 16:43:51   #
Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south
 
DeanS wrote:
Thanks much - will weigh your advice. One of the negatives I read on the fuji was cranky menus. I was turned off by cranky menus with the Oly E-M1/II, an otherwise fine piece of equip. I like the menu sys on my Canon bodies.


If you think Fuji has cranky menus, don't even think Sony. I have the Sony RX10IV and the menu is not impossible but damn near it...Once you learn and use it often, like everyday, you will be fine. The Sony is a very good all in one. The lens is terrific. Just that it's attached to a 1" inch sensor. Excellent for prints up to 12"x18" full frame, without cropping.

I prefer my fuji XE-3 ASP sensor. Small body with great fuji glass and goes everywhere with me. It's AWAYS with me.

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