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Mar 13, 2020 21:32:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
repleo wrote:
My favorite book on the subject is Michael Freeman's 'The Photographers Eye: A Graphic Guide. In very simple terms, Freeman lists three essential and interconnected sets of skills for successful photography - Technical, Visual and Conceptual. To paraphrase Freeman a bit:

'Conceptual' is about what you want the photograph to say. What is the subject, the story, the emotion, the mood you are trying to convey, eg excitement, tranquility, awe, romance or a simple record of an event.

'Visual' is about how the elements of the image are arranged to express the concept. In other words how the elements are composed. It can include framing, format, balance, color, light/shade, leading lines, proportion, perspective, placement of the main subject etc etc. The 'Rule of Thirds' is probably the best known example of these techniques, but Freeman's book is full of others. Freeman's book includes wonderful simplified 'cartoons' or graphics to illustrate how these devices work in his photos.

'Technical' is about the camera and how it is handled. It can cover topics such as focus, exposure, aperture, focal length, ISO etc. The well rounded photographer may use these controls or equipment choices to create or eliminate depth of field, motion blur, bokeh, vignette, starbursts etc etc and incorporate them as elements of the 'visual' to express or reinforce the 'conceptual'. Sharpness, contrast, color temperture etc fall under 'technical'. These topics are discussed most here on UHH because they are qualities that are easily understood and measurable and directly related to 'gear'. (Let's face of it - many of us are gearhead 'camerographers' to some extent.)

I have often suggested that beginners start with exploring the principles of composition ie the Visual before getting bogged down in Technicals like the 'exposure triangle'. Every modern photo device does an excellent job of exposure, focus etc on Auto. The exposure triangle can wait until the beginner develops a sense of the Visual and wants to expand their vocabulary.

I think 'content' is the final image. How was the technical used to create the visual that tells the story - assuming the photographer actually conceived a story to tell. Too often we don't.
My favorite book on the subject is Michael Freeman... (show quote)
Great stuff, Phil! I think I had one of Freeman's books at one time; I'll have to look for this one.

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Mar 13, 2020 23:34:40   #
Iron Sight Loc: Utah
 
Sometimes if the title indicates “insect” I avoid looking at it?

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Mar 14, 2020 07:01:23   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If it doesn't have a leading line, a Golden Spiral, and an odd number of objects, it's a composition failure ...


Particularly that 'golden spiral' LOL

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Mar 14, 2020 07:15:16   #
SonyBug
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Hmm, you might have to ask them. Or, provide an example? I'm always happy to give my opinion, whether I know what I'm talking about or not 😊


And I would venture that Linda does know what she is talking about. But this question seems to be one of those ChrisT questions just out there to goad controversy.

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Mar 14, 2020 07:37:39   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
srt101fan wrote:
True! So we have two separate photo elements, content and composition. Do some people talk about composition when they really mean content?


I don’t think so. It would be pretty hard to confuse the two. One can have some first-rate content but poor composition and vice-versa because they are different animals. See what Linda said.

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Mar 14, 2020 07:54:59   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
jaymatt wrote:
I don’t think so. It would be pretty hard to confuse the two. One can have some first-rate content but poor composition and vice-versa because they are different animals. See what Linda said.


I am very easily confused, and even I can grasp the concept. So, I must agree with you, they are different animals.

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Mar 14, 2020 07:57:17   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
srt101fan wrote:
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics. Usually it refers to the arrangement of the main visual elements within the image. But is the word frequently misused?

Many posters, when discussing a photo, will mention sharpness, contrast, color, etc. Composition gets highlighted, often with the implication that it is the most important element of a good photo. Usually absent in these discussions is photographic content.

Do some folks confuse "composition" with "content"?
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics... (show quote)


I try to follow 2 main rules of composition. Rule of thirds and place the content within a frame with something in the foreground. Works for most of the stuff I shoot.

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Mar 14, 2020 08:11:22   #
lsaguy Loc: Udall, KS, USA
 
The opposite of decomposition.

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Mar 14, 2020 08:32:11   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
An analogy can be made with music and photography. Often in a musical performance a credit is given for arrangement. The piece is written and maybe performed as the composer intended. Take Carole King's tune,"will you still love me tomorrow" When performed by the Sharells, it was an up tempo rock and roll song.. But when performed (arranged) by King, itwas a plaintiff plea and very sad. One composition of a photo may be different (arranged)than another. 2 pictures of the same subject may look different as a result of composition. So what is composition-interpertation

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Mar 14, 2020 09:01:40   #
ggenova64
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Composition is how the content is arranged.

Content = subject + supporting (surroundings, background).


Great definition Linda from Main!😃

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Mar 14, 2020 09:09:40   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
srt101fan wrote:
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics. Usually it refers to the arrangement of the main visual elements within the image. But is the word frequently misused?

Many posters, when discussing a photo, will mention sharpness, contrast, color, etc. Composition gets highlighted, often with the implication that it is the most important element of a good photo. Usually absent in these discussions is photographic content.

Do some folks confuse "composition" with "content"?
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics... (show quote)


I hope that everyone understands the English language well enough to distinguish "composition" from "content". I don't see how anyone could confuse the actual objects being photographed with the arrangement of those objects in the frame.

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Mar 14, 2020 09:13:20   #
ggenova64
 
CatMarley wrote:
I hope that everyone understands the English language well enough to distinguish "composition" from "content". I don't see how anyone could confuse the actual objects being photographed with the arrangement of those objects in the frame.


So what is the distinguish between “composition” and “content”?

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Mar 14, 2020 09:16:51   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Composition is how the content is arranged.

Content = subject + supporting (surroundings, background).



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Mar 14, 2020 09:21:41   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
srt101fan wrote:
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics. Usually it refers to the arrangement of the main visual elements within the image. But is the word frequently misused?

Many posters, when discussing a photo, will mention sharpness, contrast, color, etc. Composition gets highlighted, often with the implication that it is the most important element of a good photo. Usually absent in these discussions is photographic content.

Do some folks confuse "composition" with "content"?
Composition is mentioned quite often in UHH topics... (show quote)


If they do, they do so in error.
Composition is the result of the photographer’s plan for the arrangement of items in the image such that they direct the path of the viewer’s gaze through the image in the manner desired by the photographer.

Why do this? So that the viewer’s appreciation of the image is as close as possible to that intended by the photographer/ artist. Competent composition is a favor to the viewer rendered by the artist.
My opinion, anyway.
Dave

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Mar 14, 2020 09:21:59   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
In that article, there are nine composition techniques shown. Rule of Thirds is just one. The one above center eye is "fill the frame" and there is the "symmetry" example also.

Some thoughtful conversation is found in the recent "Rule of Thirds" topic on UHH. I like the proposition that one must learn how, when and why to use the so-called "rules" in order to effectively break them. Doing something contrary to proven successful techniques without knowing why rarely results in success
In that article, there are nine composition techni... (show quote)


That is exactly what I think and what I have been taught in Photo Classes. It goes for many other endeavours as well. Music comes to mind.

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