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Sep 24, 2012 11:45:58   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I think that with politicians,like the general populace, the motto is "the more you make, the more you spend", no matter where the money comes from...


I agree completely. I know many people that have literally managed their income to the point where that have less than $50 each month in cash. Almost their entire income goes to paying installments on credit cards, food, housing and utilities.

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Sep 24, 2012 12:01:04   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
Jersey guy wrote:
Whenever I hear that raising taxes will solve the problem, I go ballistic. Here in NJ we started out with a 2% sales tax that was supposed to solve our then financial problems. As the problems got worse, the solution was....you got it....raise taxes. And so it went until we got to the present 7% level which, you guessed it, did not solve the problems. We won't even go into the issue of how the Casinos were going to resurrect Atlantic City and bring untold treasures to the state's school funding. Never happened. Raising taxes is like giving more money to alcoholics and druggies....politicians will regard it as "found" money that they can spend on pet projects to guarantee their re-election.
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And the 2 major highways that go north and south through the state are toll roads. One is owned by the Garden State Parkway Authority and the other by Prudential Insurance. I seem to recall a time when they said they would remove most of the tolls on the Parkway when the cost was recovered, but thus far, all I've seen are whopping toll increases and traffic jams and the new photo set up for catching toll offenders has massive errors and no means to fight the defect in court. I got one notice I had not paid my toll and had driven at 44 miles per hour through an electronic pass lane when in fact I pay cash and never use any of the lanes on the left side of the toll plazas. Then they show me a crisp clear photo of my license plate but no indication as to what toll booth it was from other than their electronic record. I keep getting that request for $50 and refuse to pay it. I sent them numerous letters telling of the error and also 2 witness statements but they don't listen. Screw them. I refuse to get a EZ-Pass since I've had freinds get bills for thousands of dollars from errors and fraudulent code theft.

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Sep 24, 2012 12:01:55   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
Please, people, how in Heaven's name do we stop this madness? Will it take a Greece catastrophy?

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Sep 24, 2012 12:06:44   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Thankfully I don't live in New Jersey. I've worked up there for a few two week periods to help out one of our facilities there when I was still working. Didn't have to get on any toll roads to get to the facility from where they put me up though (Mt Holly area)...Did not like the roundabouts for left turns though...Not having to pump my own gas was kinda strange after all these years as well...

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Sep 24, 2012 12:17:26   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Thankfully I don't live in New Jersey. I've worked up there for a few two week periods to help out one of our facilities there when I was still working. Didn't have to get on any toll roads to get to the facility from where they put me up though (Mt Holly area)...Did not like the roundabouts for left turns though...Not having to pump my own gas was kinda strange after all these years as well...


yea, Jersey has too many "Jersey Shore" types that forget to remove the nozzle after they fill their tank. And the Gas jockey's union makes it so the gas has to be pumped by illegal aliens. LOL. Job growth for the imbacilic and those who know numbers but not english.

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Sep 24, 2012 12:18:40   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
tschmath wrote:
esqrich wrote:
With theave on the CA legislature it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was chief of state. And the spending goes on.


You don't get in deep financial hell solely because unions have generous pensions. Much of California's problems can be traced all the way back to 1978 with the passage of Prop 13. Prop 13 limited property taxes drastically. We've done that for years and it obviously had a very small impact on our problem. California needs to raise taxes - sales taxes, property taxes and income taxes but nobody wants to admit it.
quote=esqrich With theave on the CA legislature i... (show quote)


Prop 13 came about because people were latterly being taxed out of theft homes and property. Some people were getting taxed more than they could afford to pay as their property tax went up every year based on what the state appraised it at.

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Sep 24, 2012 12:25:40   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
DougW wrote:
tschmath wrote:
esqrich wrote:
With theave on the CA legislature it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was chief of state. And the spending goes on.


You don't get in deep financial hell solely because unions have generous pensions. Much of California's problems can be traced all the way back to 1978 with the passage of Prop 13. Prop 13 limited property taxes drastically. We've done that for years and it obviously had a very small impact on our problem. California needs to raise taxes - sales taxes, property taxes and income taxes but nobody wants to admit it.
quote=esqrich With theave on the CA legislature i... (show quote)


Prop 13 came about because people were latterly being taxed out of theft homes and property. Some people were getting taxed more than they could afford to pay as their property tax went up every year based on what the state appraised it at.
quote=tschmath quote=esqrich With theave on the ... (show quote)


But if you recall some property owners had purchased their estates for a song (dirt cheap) years ago and the cap for property tax increase made them pay far less than the poor guy who bought a 2 bedroom home in Silicon Valley. Then the crash occurred but the assessments remained high unless the whole neighborhood went to court to fight the assessed values. But those huge estates and ranches had small increases since they were never sold and heald in family trusts. No title transfers and thus no huge tax or assessment increases either.

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Sep 24, 2012 12:39:11   #
Jimbob49 Loc: SW OH - Dayton area
 
I'm with you 100%. I lived in Southern CA (Ridgecrest) while in the service and later in Redlands for a few years when Prop 13 was approved. The answer is not more taxes. If states would live within their means (and have a general fund for emergencies) they could manage. Some years you're on budget others you're not that's life. Higher tax rates only drive folks away - then what do you have?.... less. Life isn't fair and never has been and as long as we have folks in office trying to make it fair nothing will be solved.

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Sep 24, 2012 13:30:22   #
proteus1 Loc: NEVADA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Raising taxes would most likely result in an exodus from the State of large numbers of people & businesses. Hence the problem still would not be resolved...I say that in respect to property values especially, as California has some of the highest property values in the country

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Yea and they all come East over the mountains and try to destroy Nevada.....

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Sep 24, 2012 13:57:12   #
esqrich
 
CA has to stop the increase in spending....a $100 billion train to nowhere between Merced and Bakersfield!!! This is sheer stupidity.

"Socialism always works until you run out of other peoples' money to spend."

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Sep 24, 2012 14:11:18   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
esqrich wrote:
CA has to stop the increase in spending....a $100 billion train to nowhere between Merced and Bakersfield!!! This is sheer stupidity.

"Socialism always works until you run out of other peoples' money to spend."


What ever happened to the high speed train between Frisco and SanDiego? Did they trash that idea? At least that would have potential to be profitable.

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Sep 24, 2012 14:40:16   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
tschmath wrote:
California needs to raise taxes - sales taxes, property taxes and income taxes but nobody wants to admit it.


Brilliant, that should certainly stimulate growth and help to bring industry back to California. 8-)

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Sep 24, 2012 15:12:35   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
singleviking wrote:
DougW wrote:
tschmath wrote:
esqrich wrote:
With theave on the CA legislature it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was chief of state. And the spending goes on.


You don't get in deep financial hell solely because unions have generous pensions. Much of California's problems can be traced all the way back to 1978 with the passage of Prop 13. Prop 13 limited property taxes drastically. We've done that for years and it obviously had a very small impact on our problem. California needs to raise taxes - sales taxes, property taxes and income taxes but nobody wants to admit it.
quote=esqrich With theave on the CA legislature i... (show quote)


Prop 13 came about because people were latterly being taxed out of theft homes and property. Some people were getting taxed more than they could afford to pay as their property tax went up every year based on what the state appraised it at.
quote=tschmath quote=esqrich With theave on the ... (show quote)


But if you recall some property owners had purchased their estates for a song (dirt cheap) years ago and the cap for property tax increase made them pay far less than the poor guy who bought a 2 bedroom home in Silicon Valley. Then the crash occurred but the assessments remained high unless the whole neighborhood went to court to fight the assessed values. But those huge estates and ranches had small increases since they were never sold and heald in family trusts. No title transfers and thus no huge tax or assessment increases either.
quote=DougW quote=tschmath quote=esqrich With t... (show quote)


The problem was you were charged the taxes for that years assessment . That was where the 1% rise was part of 13 until you sold tan the prop WS reassessed for the sale price.

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Sep 24, 2012 15:31:49   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
DougW wrote:
singleviking wrote:
DougW wrote:
tschmath wrote:
esqrich wrote:
With theave on the CA legislature it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ was chief of state. And the spending goes on.


You don't get in deep financial hell solely because unions have generous pensions. Much of California's problems can be traced all the way back to 1978 with the passage of Prop 13. Prop 13 limited property taxes drastically. We've done that for years and it obviously had a very small impact on our problem. California needs to raise taxes - sales taxes, property taxes and income taxes but nobody wants to admit it.
quote=esqrich With theave on the CA legislature i... (show quote)


Prop 13 came about because people were latterly being taxed out of theft homes and property. Some people were getting taxed more than they could afford to pay as their property tax went up every year based on what the state appraised it at.
quote=tschmath quote=esqrich With theave on the ... (show quote)


But if you recall some property owners had purchased their estates for a song (dirt cheap) years ago and the cap for property tax increase made them pay far less than the poor guy who bought a 2 bedroom home in Silicon Valley. Then the crash occurred but the assessments remained high unless the whole neighborhood went to court to fight the assessed values. But those huge estates and ranches had small increases since they were never sold and heald in family trusts. No title transfers and thus no huge tax or assessment increases either.
quote=DougW quote=tschmath quote=esqrich With t... (show quote)


The problem was you were charged the taxes for that years assessment . That was where the 1% rise was part of 13 until you sold tan the prop WS reassessed for the sale price.
quote=singleviking quote=DougW quote=tschmath ... (show quote)


I got out of California before all of this madness. You are right about the 1% cap until the sale of property caused reassessment at the sale or market value and the property was determined by either deed of sale or if sold under market value, it would be raised to the market value. And then next owner got a huge annual property tax bill.

California...nice place to visit but unless you have money to burn, visit is about the extent of it until it falls away from the continent. Then they will probably declare war against the US after ceseading from the union and after surrender, they will request foreign aid and disaster releif. LOL

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Sep 25, 2012 10:10:52   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Should be 2 states here. Bay area and then the rest of us.

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