Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
My First Printed Photographs (Lessons Learned)
Page <prev 2 of 4 next> last>>
Feb 6, 2020 10:53:27   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
via the lens wrote:
I print all my own work, unless I want something larger than my printer can provide. I use a Epson R3000, an older printer that costs around $400. I work on a mac. Every print turns out perfectly, exactly like the monitor. I use Soft Proofing in LR for any print that has a wide range of difficult colors, yellows, oranges, reds. I always use the correct ICC profile. I hang my work in a gallery and these are always printed by me. Printing your own work does not take a large degree of skill or money, just do the right things and use good equipment made for printing images. And, yes, I agree that the printed work does add something to viewing it. Printing a 4 x 6 or 5 x 7 can be a good way to start out.
I print all my own work, unless I want something l... (show quote)


Thanks Connie,

I checked and DarkTable does have soft proofing with the ability to select ICC profiles and create custom profiles if needed. Along with some other recommendations, I think that will at least give me a fighting chance to get consistency from print to print. As I mentioned in a reply to Linda, I may use a local brick and mortar print service until I decide to start printing more.

Reply
Feb 6, 2020 18:04:38   #
bleirer
 
johngault007 wrote:
Thanks Connie,

I checked and DarkTable does have soft proofing with the ability to select ICC profiles and create custom profiles if needed. Along with some other recommendations, I think that will at least give me a fighting chance to get consistency from print to print. As I mentioned in a reply to Linda, I may use a local brick and mortar print service until I decide to start printing more.



The profile will not be that useful without a calibrated monitor. The whole setup is only about $160 and it's pretty painless. Otherwise, let the print service correct the image for you. Maybe adjust your monitor brightness, usually lower to match some prints.

Reply
Feb 6, 2020 18:10:56   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
bleirer wrote:
The profile will not be that useful without a calibrated monitor. The whole setup is only about $160 and it's pretty painless. Otherwise, let the print service correct the image for you. Maybe adjust your monitor brightness, usually lower to match some prints.



Reply
 
 
Feb 6, 2020 21:49:35   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
johngault007 wrote:
After about a year or so of learning this great hobby, I decided to use an online service to print two photographs as a way to examine my work in printed form. What I've learned from this are two very important things.

1. I really need to calibrate my monitor. Or at least know that my monitor has much more contrast and color range than a printed version will. I will not say I'm disappointed in the printed version but there is a drastic difference with what I see on my computer and the service I use. But I do know if I use this service again I will add even more contrast and saturation to the file before I submit it for print. I can invest in a very good printer, but honestly I have other priorities and that may come further down the line when my other more costly hobbies (drumming) start slowing down.

2. Touching a physical print changes your perspective. Having those prints in my hands was an eye opening experience and I was able to see things that I can improve upon and some things that I truly enjoyed about the photograph. Being a drummer of 30+ years, I have developed the mindset that nothing is perfect. And with a critical eye, you always find different ways to improve on every aspect. The physical print shows me things I might not have seen in the capture process, post processing, or even cropping if necessary.


I encourage anyone else who has had similar experiences to chime in and discuss some things they have learned from printing their work.
After about a year or so of learning this great ho... (show quote)


Display profiling is critical to getting consistent results.

Using a print lab that will provide you a printer profile so that you can properly soft-proof your images with the printer's colors will minimize shock when you get your prints back.

Using your own printer will likely be far more costly than sending it out. If you have a large format printer with cartridges that have 110ml or more ink in each one, AND you do a lot of printing, you might be able to get close to what it costs to print using a lab, but it will still be more costly.

When you figure the cost of a print, you have to take into consideration the cost of the printer, test prints, paper, ink, cleaning cycles, and the exorbitant price you are paying for ink in the smaller cartridges - and of course your time.

Yet, there is something really special about a proper color-managed workflow and printing your own stuff - I no longer print, even though I have a very good printer - an Epson 4880. It's too expensive.

You don't need to add contrast and saturation - you need to make fine adjustments based on your soft-proofing. It's important to have an organized approach.

Reply
Feb 6, 2020 22:30:09   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
johngault007 wrote:
After about a year or so of learning this great hobby, I decided to use an online service to print two photographs as a way to examine my work in printed form. What I've learned from this are two very important things.

1. I really need to calibrate my monitor. Or at least know that my monitor has much more contrast and color range than a printed version will. I will not say I'm disappointed in the printed version but there is a drastic difference with what I see on my computer and the service I use. But I do know if I use this service again I will add even more contrast and saturation to the file before I submit it for print. I can invest in a very good printer, but honestly I have other priorities and that may come further down the line when my other more costly hobbies (drumming) start slowing down.

2. Touching a physical print changes your perspective. Having those prints in my hands was an eye opening experience and I was able to see things that I can improve upon and some things that I truly enjoyed about the photograph. Being a drummer of 30+ years, I have developed the mindset that nothing is perfect. And with a critical eye, you always find different ways to improve on every aspect. The physical print shows me things I might not have seen in the capture process, post processing, or even cropping if necessary.


I encourage anyone else who has had similar experiences to chime in and discuss some things they have learned from printing their work.
After about a year or so of learning this great ho... (show quote)


For some reason the brain perceives images on a backlighted computer or TV monitor differently than it does when seeing a piece of paper with the same image or text printed on it. I've done a little creative writing over the years and when I proof read my writing I am amazed at how differently I perceive a hard copy versus a video image. I'm able to see a lot more errors in spelling and especially grammar when it's on paper. The awkward wording just seems to jump out at me where it doesn't when reading the same thing on a computer monitor.

Same thing happens when I edit photo images. For some reason I'm able to see more in an image when it's printed out. I can't say why. I believe it may have to do with growing up and learning to read and to see images in a time before there were computer images. I grew up watching TV but until I was about 12 or so it was small grainy images in BW. No color TV. Maybe we have someone here who knows more about the field of perception psychology or physiology who can explain it.

SuperflyTNT wrote:
Beside just calibrating your monitor, see if you can get ICC profiles for the printer and paper combinations you’re using.


Absolutely. Get a monitor calibrator and make sure the have the correct ICC profiles for the paper you're using. All those little details make a big difference.

Reply
Feb 6, 2020 22:47:16   #
bleirer
 
10MPlayer wrote:
Absolutely. Get a monitor calibrator and make sure the have the correct ICC profiles for the paper you're using. All those little details make a big difference.


I think it is more physics. What you see with the print is the room light hitting the pigments on the paper, some of the light is absorbed, some reflects to your eye. With a monitor the dots on the monitor are actively glowing in the right combination of primary colors to form the image.

Reply
Feb 6, 2020 22:48:31   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Thank you all for all of the great input. There are plenty of options for all aspects of my original post.

I think after careful consideration, I will take the small leap in color calibration. There are some very good systems that are compatible with Linux, and the software written seems to be exceptional.

I may use my current Canon printer with third-party ink to play around with, but I really have no desire to invest in a printing system as prints are not high on my list, and there are fantastic printing services out there that offer great pricing that is equal to or slightly cheaper than maintaining my own.

Again, great feedback all around, and even though I won't take advantage of it all right away, it's great to have sitting here if/when I decide to take that next step!

Cheers!

Reply
 
 
Feb 7, 2020 05:30:31   #
alphonso49uk
 
Ive always found this aspect of photography to be a nightmare.

Reply
Feb 7, 2020 06:32:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
johngault007 wrote:
After about a year or so of learning this great hobby, I decided to use an online service to print two photographs as a way to examine my work in printed form. What I've learned from this are two very important things.

1. I really need to calibrate my monitor. Or at least know that my monitor has much more contrast and color range than a printed version will. I will not say I'm disappointed in the printed version but there is a drastic difference with what I see on my computer and the service I use. But I do know if I use this service again I will add even more contrast and saturation to the file before I submit it for print. I can invest in a very good printer, but honestly I have other priorities and that may come further down the line when my other more costly hobbies (drumming) start slowing down.

2. Touching a physical print changes your perspective. Having those prints in my hands was an eye opening experience and I was able to see things that I can improve upon and some things that I truly enjoyed about the photograph. Being a drummer of 30+ years, I have developed the mindset that nothing is perfect. And with a critical eye, you always find different ways to improve on every aspect. The physical print shows me things I might not have seen in the capture process, post processing, or even cropping if necessary.


I encourage anyone else who has had similar experiences to chime in and discuss some things they have learned from printing their work.
After about a year or so of learning this great ho... (show quote)


I applaud anyone who prints their own shots. I get all mine done at Campus Camera in Kent Ohio. I arrange a 3 hour block of time twice a year with their processor (Sue). I sit beside her and we go over exactly how we want each show print to look. She uses a $30,000.00 machine to print my images. Her largest size is 30X40 I believe. This way I do not have to worry about inks, dyes, cost of repairs, and maintenance costs. But again, my hat is off to all the printers out there, I salute you.

Reply
Feb 7, 2020 07:19:19   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
alphonso49uk wrote:
Ive always found this aspect of photography to be a nightmare.


Yes, it becomes expensive. Especially the cost of ink, paper, and time. I had to travel a 45 mile trip, to get paper and ink. Ink kept increasing in price. I went to third party refilled cartridges to save money. That's when the nightmare began. I salute those who are successful at making their own prints. The way they like them to be. I now go to outside vendors to have my prints done. Some even do the larger prints, than what I need.

Reply
Feb 7, 2020 07:38:52   #
jennifer graham
 
I am not tech savvy at all but have been able to produce beautiful prints with canon pixma pro 100. very affordable. I watched youtube tutorials to learn. Also calibrate monitor. I use xrite. The paper makes a huge difference. The one i love now is hahnemuhle smooth photo rag bright white 310gsm for beautiful color, depth, contrast. When you print your own you can print, tweak. Print again right away. I love it

Reply
 
 
Feb 7, 2020 08:31:28   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
[quote=johngault007]I guess I should have been more clear in my initial post

I do have a Canon Pixma printer that we use for kids school stuff and my work. We use third party ink we buy through Amazon to keep costs down as we print documents. I guess I could have taken the leap and given it the old Sailor try, but I'm not 100% confident that the ink would provide a quality print.


I'd encourage you to try printing to your home printer, using quality photo print paper. You may be pleasantly surprised! I use 3rd party inks from LD products and they work well. Maybe more expensive than you pay for at amazon, but much cheaper than from Canon. The quality is good enough that I only send out for processing if I want a larger print than my printer will handle. Printing at home means you can easily make changes, experiment with color management, without having to wait to receive your pints to see what works or doesn't.

Reply
Feb 7, 2020 08:42:08   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
[quote=FunkyL]
johngault007 wrote:
I guess I should have been more clear in my initial post

I do have a Canon Pixma printer that we use for kids school stuff and my work. We use third party ink we buy through Amazon to keep costs down as we print documents. I guess I could have taken the leap and given it the old Sailor try, but I'm not 100% confident that the ink would provide a quality print.


I'd encourage you to try printing to your home printer, using quality photo print paper. You may be pleasantly surprised! I use 3rd party inks from LD products and they work well. Maybe more expensive than you pay for at amazon, but much cheaper than from Canon. The quality is good enough that I only send out for processing if I want a larger print than my printer will handle. Printing at home means you can easily make changes, experiment with color management, without having to wait to receive your pints to see what works or doesn't.
I guess I should have been more clear in my initia... (show quote)



Reply
Feb 7, 2020 09:39:14   #
pappleg
 
Rather than a monitor calibration (what exactly do you calibrate it to?) I decided to use a local photo lab rather than national services because I can have conversations and we can collaboratively make adjustment. I print large and on a paper/plastic mount that he uses for flush mounted self hanging prints. Before we pull the trigger on that we print a smaller, say 5" X 7" print and then adjust as necessary. Very efficient and always works. I have printed up to 30" X 40" with no issues. Pat

Reply
Feb 7, 2020 09:46:54   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Hi, John. After about 50 years in photography, 15 of those in digital I have begun to have prints made. I do 16x20 canvas prints from a commercial printer and they are fantastic! And very affordable. I don't know anything about profiles or any of the other things that earlier posters have mentioned.
I have only had five prints made so far, yes five prints in fifty years and no disappointments yet. I have photographed the prints and compared them to the originals on my computer and they are at least as good, maybe better than the originals.
FWIW almost all of my photographs from film days were transparencies.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 4 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.