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Jan 27, 2020 20:40:29   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
CO wrote:
I have a D500. The D5, D500, and D850 are the first Nikons to have a dedicated autofocus processor. It's fast and reliable. You can count on it to nail the focus every time.

On previous cameras, data related to autofocus was processed by the same micro-computer that controlled the rest of the camera. On the D500, this is now carried out by a dedicated processor solely for autofocus, enabling the instantaneous processing of the enormous volume of data streaming in from the 153 points on the autofocus sensor. This dedicated processor also contributes to the enhanced tracking performance of moving subjects, adding to the D500’s excellent autofocus performance.
I have a D500. The D5, D500, and D850 are the firs... (show quote)


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Jan 27, 2020 20:47:31   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
larryepage wrote:
I've been shooting a D500 for almost a year now. Bought it as a crop alternative to my D810 and D850 when the bigger files aren't needed. Also wanted a crop camera that was more similar to those cameras than my D300 and D300s.

I have found the D500 to be an all-around workhorse that can do just about everything with excellence. I'd held off buying one due to all the "sports and wildlife" kool-aid, since I shoot neither of those, but really have come to regret my delay.

As for those who say its high ISO performance isn't good, my suspicion is that those photographers simply haven't learned how to "do" high ISO. I have a friend who has produced Milky Way images that I'd challenge anyone to identify as not from a full frame camera. I think that the difference is that he was in the same excellent class that I was in, and he learned what to do and why.

Be aware, though, that even though the D500 will make any lens better, it puts almost exactly the same demands on a lens (and photographer) that a camera like the D850 does. It will not magically solve your shortcomings unless you study and apply the best techniques and make the best decisions around what you are doing.

So best of luck. I encourage you to get the D500 that you want and learn how to use it.
I've been shooting a D500 for almost a year now. B... (show quote)


Thank you for your reply. It is exactly what I was looking for. I have been learning everyday about photography for about a year and a half now. I read a lot and shoot at least 4 times a week. Anything from birds at the feeder to macro gemstones in the house. A couple weeks ago it was waterdrop photography. I'm somewhat of a perfectionist. It took me 4 months of hard work to take what I consider sharp pictures fairly consistently. I cut gemstones for a living at a Master level so that kind of explains my attitude. 😂 Thanks again for your quick response. Looks like another camera is in my future. Bob Lawrence

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Jan 27, 2020 20:50:32   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
mas24 wrote:
One wonders, how Nikon can make a crop sensor DSLR successor to the D500, better than it already is. The successor will probably have another two features, that most won't care about. However, Nikon may have a long period of time in years, from the D300s to the D500. A long wait it was.
I’m not sure Nikon plans a D500 successor right now. They are probably working on better MILC focusing, and eventually will issue a MILC to “replace” the D500 only if they can succeed in getting D500-like focusing from it.

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Jan 27, 2020 22:29:25   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Food for thought....what was outside temp?...Any possibility of early onset of condensation on lens?

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Jan 28, 2020 15:12:55   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
rehess wrote:
I’m not sure Nikon plans a D500 successor right now. They are probably working on better MILC focusing, and eventually will issue a MILC to “replace” the D500 only if they can succeed in getting D500-like focusing from it.


Yes, that is a possibility, I can agree with.

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Jan 28, 2020 18:04:12   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CindyHouk wrote:
I have read that the d500 is supposed to be really good at high iso levels and not produce to much noise. I am wondering if my d500 is not working correctly in that respect. Here are 3 shots taken with the d500 in a low light condition this morning. All were Raw files converted to jpeg from Lightroom but I made no other changes to them.

I placed the settings in the description of each - as the iso goes a little higher the noise gets more pronounced. I understand that is normal but I am wondering if the D500 should perform better at these settings.

I did turn the Noise Reduction for High ISO on at the Normal setting for these shots as well. You will have to view the download and zoom in to see what I am talking about.

Anyone have any input? Is the noise in these shots normal for this camera or should it be doing a better job?

Thanks
Cindy
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These are fine, but you really should be shooting raw, and possibly adding another stop or so of exposure.

You'll get better results if you shoot raw and apply a better more finely tuned balance between noise and sharpening.

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Jan 28, 2020 18:11:51   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
I'm wanting a D500. Currently have a D7200. I use auto ISO most of the time and limit it to 3200. Shooting manual. Do you think the D500 is worth the upgrade? I don't really need the blazing fast shooting but would like the autofocus system. I've read it's the cats meow. I would appreciate your personal opinion. Thank you


I would keep your D7200. You would not see that much improvement in image quality. I use the D500 for wildlife because it can shoot at 10 frames a second. For me, the fast the better, but again I got mine primarily for wildlife. Keep your D7200.

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Jan 28, 2020 21:27:42   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
Gene51 wrote:
These are fine, but you really should be shooting raw, and possibly adding another stop or so of exposure.

You'll get better results if you shoot raw and apply a better more finely tuned balance between noise and sharpening.


I do shoot raw....i converted them to jpg from lightroom but made no other edits as stated in the main post - I made no other edits specifically to ask the question about the noise. I do have the software to remove the noise and will be able to. I was just wondering if it was the camera or the person behind the camera

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Jan 29, 2020 13:26:44   #
Homer60 Loc: Lyons, Illinois
 
joer wrote:
Although very capable the D500 based on my experience and DXOMark's rating for noise is not all that good at high ISO. Whom ever told you that had low expectations or was comparing it to something significantly worse.

Try Topaz's AI Clear or Denoise.


I beg to differ, this attachment was shot at 20000 iso, adjusted in Lightroom only. Is it the best no, but it is a memory and I do not think it is unusable. Exif is embedded.
Mike


(Download)

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Jan 29, 2020 14:20:17   #
Yevgen
 
CindyHouk wrote:
I have read that the d500 is supposed to be really good at high iso levels and not produce to much noise. I am wondering if my d500 is not working correctly in that respect. Here are 3 shots taken with the d500 in a low light condition this morning. All were Raw files converted to jpeg from Lightroom but I made no other changes to them.

I placed the settings in the description of each - as the iso goes a little higher the noise gets more pronounced. I understand that is normal but I am wondering if the D500 should perform better at these settings.

I did turn the Noise Reduction for High ISO on at the Normal setting for these shots as well. You will have to view the download and zoom in to see what I am talking about.

Anyone have any input? Is the noise in these shots normal for this camera or should it be doing a better job?

Thanks
Cindy
I have read that the d500 is supposed to be really... (show quote)


Hi Cindy
I have D500 for a long time.
First what I see in file info: exposure comp. -2.0(?????) That moves ISO on 2 steps up (if you have 5000 it will became 20000 ISO).
Second: Noise compensation, picture controls works only for JPG files and not for RAW (you can compare it if you will select RAW and JPG and have both files in Light Room)
Third: as you “converted to jpeg from Lightroom …” ISO sensitivity information was lost in the files for download and I cannot see if it was selected correct or not (I only give you advice to use AUTO with ISO MAX Limited for your standards).
Good luck.

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Jan 29, 2020 16:50:30   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
Yevgen wrote:
Hi Cindy
I have D500 for a long time.
First what I see in file info: exposure comp. -2.0(?????) That moves ISO on 2 steps up (if you have 5000 it will became 20000 ISO).
Second: Noise compensation, picture controls works only for JPG files and not for RAW (you can compare it if you will select RAW and JPG and have both files in Light Room)
Third: as you “converted to jpeg from Lightroom …” ISO sensitivity information was lost in the files for download and I cannot see if it was selected correct or not (I only give you advice to use AUTO with ISO MAX Limited for your standards).
Good luck.
Hi Cindy br I have D500 for a long time. br First ... (show quote)


Holy crap...that very well could be my issue....I have know idea how or when I set that and didn't notice it was on till you said so! Thank you!!!!

But I have a question....does exposure comp increase the ISO when shooting in manual mode? From what I was just reading on exposure comp, it only effects things when in one of the other modes like AP or Shutter but not manual...am I reading this wrong?

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Jan 30, 2020 11:14:12   #
Yevgen
 
Hi Cyndy
Can you look on your file info and let me know what mode was used in ISO sensitivity?
Was it AUTO ISO or manual ISO?

Thank you and have a great day.

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Jan 30, 2020 21:26:18   #
CindyHouk Loc: Nw MT
 
Yevgen wrote:
Hi Cyndy
Can you look on your file info and let me know what mode was used in ISO sensitivity?
Was it AUTO ISO or manual ISO?

Thank you and have a great day.


Manual ISO....the only time I change to Auto ISO is when I am trying to get birds in flight....that setting helps a lot then.

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Mar 23, 2020 23:19:14   #
smussler Loc: Land O Lakes, FL - Formerly Miller Place, NY
 
uhaas2009 wrote:
https://youtu.be/yLJvQiQBDa4
Steve perry about higher ISO or cropping- Watch it it’s good usable info


He also offers several books as PDFs on Nikon camera's - they come with free updates.
Well worth the price.
He has the D500 ISO as OK to use up to 8000 in his "Secrets to Exposure And Metering for Nikon" book.
Tried shooting some Manual mode shots today using methods described in his book.
Over 675 pages of extremely useful information on Nikon Cameras, well written and easy to understand.

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