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Jan 25, 2020 15:52:54   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
In PS Elements is an "Adjust Sharpness" window with sliders I never tried 'til a few days ago. In the past I either used the sharpen tool selectively in small areas, or went with my preferred softer, glowing, texturized artsy look

Below are my best attempts at sharpening two telephoto shots from today, with Olympus EM10 M4/3 camera and 75-300 mm lens. On #1 I also used Nik Tonal Contrast. On #2 I masked the sky from the sharpening. They both also have a little sharpening from ACR raw editor defaults.

Please edit the raw files (linked below each jpg), doing your favorite sharpening techniques and repost here with information on how you accomplished. I'd like to learn a bit more about this aspect of editing.

Many thanks!
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I would like to participate in your topic - unfortunately I do not do Elements. Picture #1 lends itself to best sharpening using a High Pass filter layer. To test this theory I saved your download and opened it in Serif's PhotoPlus X8, created a layer and increased to a radius of 5.0 before converting to a filter. This I applied to the Pic I downloaded. I guess you could also do this in Elements (if you liked the result - see below)


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Jan 25, 2020 16:05:44   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Delderby wrote:
I would like to participate in your topic - unfortunately I do not do Elements. Picture #1 lends itself to best sharpening using a High Pass filter layer. To test this theory I saved your download and opened it in Serif's PhotoPlus X8, created a layer and increased to a radius of 5.0 before converting to a filter. This I applied to the Pic I downloaded. I guess you could also do this in Elements (if you liked the result - see below)
I would like to participate in your topic - unfort... (show quote)
Glad to have you join the party, Delderby, regardless of political affiliation

Your result is a bit more sharpened than I would normally like, but that particular image can take a lot, I think, just depends on personal preference.

Affinity Photo replaced PhotoPlus, is that right?

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Jan 25, 2020 16:35:23   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Glad to have you join the party, Delderby, regardless of political affiliation

Your result is a bit more sharpened than I would normally like, but that particular image can take a lot, I think, just depends on personal preference.

Affinity Photo replaced PhotoPlus, is that right?


Yes - with the launch of Affinity, PhotoPlus became a "legacy product". Although I try to use just Affinity, I still do sometimes use PhotoPlus - as after ten years of use I am so familiar with it.
Over-sharpening seems pretty prevalent in Photographic forums.

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Jan 25, 2020 16:38:44   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
When you opened my raw file, it didn't include what I'd done with my sliders? If that is the case, is it because of different software or because the xmp doesn't come with the raw when uploaded to UHH?

I'm gratified to hear you are enjoying these types of topics, Mike. I have said often that anyone is welcome to create "challenge" topics, along with the more common "how do I?" or "Here's a tutorial." The more active participation, the better this section will be!
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If there's an xmp file, then LR and ACR will open with your adjustments.

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Jan 25, 2020 16:41:33   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Delderby wrote:
...Over-sharpening seems pretty prevalent in Photographic forums.
I noticed within a month of joining UHH in 2012:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-85532-1.html

I don't know if that led to my going mostly in the opposite direction or not.

Thanks again for your interest in the topic!

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Jan 25, 2020 16:42:25   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
If there's an xmp file, then LR and ACR will open with your adjustments.
Thanks Mike.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:38:10   #
larduggan Loc: Burlington, VT
 
I was curious to see what would happen in Capture One...which might not suit your purposes.

In #1, I darkened the luminance of the warm colors, did some minor split toning(highlights: yellow; shadows:blue (increasing the contrast of both shadows and highlights), actually decreased the overall contrast slightly, almost doubled the default sharpening at .8 pixel.

In #2, I did much the same thing, without changing luminance, except slight darker blue in the sky.


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Jan 25, 2020 20:24:40   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
larduggan wrote:
I was curious to see what would happen in Capture One...which might not suit your purposes.

In #1, I darkened the luminance of the warm colors, did some minor split toning(highlights: yellow; shadows:blue (increasing the contrast of both shadows and highlights), actually decreased the overall contrast slightly, almost doubled the default sharpening at .8 pixel.

In #2, I did much the same thing, without changing luminance, except slight darker blue in the sky.
Very nice results, thank you kindly! I keep intending to look into split toning; you may have caused me to add it to the to-do list

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Jan 25, 2020 23:02:11   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Very nice results, thank you kindly! I keep intending to look into split toning; you may have caused me to add it to the to-do list
Super-sharpened for impact.


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Jan 26, 2020 07:44:48   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Super-sharpened for impact.
This is the look I tend to think of with "over" sharpening in the way people say "overcooked" Would impact be greater without the wind machine and with a more abstract view?

It's interesting to compare with rborud's, which seems to have only the smallest branches "sharp." But there's more going on in the differences between yours and his (tonal contrast, color?)

I'll remind him that he hasn't explained his process, and in the meantime, would you state your workflow and software used on this version, Fotoartist? Many thanks.

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Jan 26, 2020 15:43:07   #
rborud Loc: Minnesota
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
In PS Elements is an "Adjust Sharpness" window with sliders I never tried 'til a few days ago. In the past I either used the sharpen tool selectively in small areas, or went with my preferred softer, glowing, texturized artsy look

Below are my best attempts at sharpening two telephoto shots from today, with Olympus EM10 M4/3 camera and 75-300 mm lens. On #1 I also used Nik Tonal Contrast. On #2 I masked the sky from the sharpening. They both also have a little sharpening from ACR raw editor defaults.

Please edit the raw files (linked below each jpg), doing your favorite sharpening techniques and repost here with information on how you accomplished. I'd like to learn a bit more about this aspect of editing.

Many thanks!
In PS Elements is an "Adjust Sharpness" ... (show quote)


Thanks Linda for reminding me to show what I do, in my sharpening images. RBorud
First of all having tried so many techniques over the years and moving from brand to brand I realized I was being lead with out thinking of my needs. I decided to stop the endless updating and fix on just a few things and learn them to a level really useful. So I know some of you will be quite appalled at how I work. First of all I have only three programs I use for all my work. #1 (hold your breath) FastStone viewer. I do the bulk of my sharpening there. It is a free program for non comercial use. It is also one of the few that I know that uses Lanscom math in its sharpening section. I am sure there may be others but I do not know them. It has two sharpening sections, one very simple and the second more complex. I go between depending on what I am doing. The second section has a control of the radius of the sharpening control and can have very subtle changes, but one has to learn them. Also the engine that resizes is very good in FastStone and I have made quite large size changes to good effect. #2 I use a very much older version of Corel Paint Shop Pro. I feel I am still learning intricacies of it, even if it is three years old. I does all the layering and standard stuff in PSP files I feel well and stably. #3 a very old copy of Photoshop Number 7 (that is old) I use for some ancient plugins I at times find useful. So in answer, this is what I use. I will not argue with anyone about my use as I have felt intricate understanding trumps constant updating most times. Thanks for listening. RBorud

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Jan 26, 2020 16:25:30   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
rborud wrote:
Thanks Linda for reminding me to show what I do, in my sharpening images. RBorud
First of all having tried so many techniques over the years and moving from brand to brand I realized I was being lead with out thinking of my needs. I decided to stop the endless updating and fix on just a few things and learn them to a level really useful. So I know some of you will be quite appalled at how I work. First of all I have only three programs I use for all my work. #1 (hold your breath) FastStone viewer. I do the bulk of my sharpening there. It is a free program for non comercial use. It is also one of the few that I know that uses Lanscom math in its sharpening section. I am sure there may be others but I do not know them. It has two sharpening sections, one very simple and the second more complex. I go between depending on what I am doing. The second section has a control of the radius of the sharpening control and can have very subtle changes, but one has to learn them. Also the engine that resizes is very good in FastStone and I have made quite large size changes to good effect. #2 I use a very much older version of Corel Paint Shop Pro. I feel I am still learning intricacies of it, even if it is three years old. I does all the layering and standard stuff in PSP files I feel well and stably. #3 a very old copy of Photoshop Number 7 (that is old) I use for some ancient plugins I at times find useful. So in answer, this is what I use. I will not argue with anyone about my use as I have felt intricate understanding trumps constant updating most times. Thanks for listening. RBorud
Thanks Linda for reminding me to show what I do, i... (show quote)
Thanks very much, Russ. I have been using FastStone Image Viewer to preview my photos and tag them for which I want to edit. I guess I need to go look at all the rest of the features!

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Jan 26, 2020 16:51:06   #
rborud Loc: Minnesota
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks very much, Russ. I have been using FastStone Image Viewer to preview my photos and tag them for which I want to edit. I guess I need to go look at all the rest of the features!


Linda I also find the levels and curves sections very easy and good to use. RBorud

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Jan 26, 2020 17:36:29   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
This is the look I tend to think of with "over" sharpening in the way people say "overcooked" Would impact be greater without the wind machine and with a more abstract view?

It's interesting to compare with rborud's, which seems to have only the smallest branches "sharp." But there's more going on in the differences between yours and his (tonal contrast, color?)

I'll remind him that he hasn't explained his process, and in the meantime, would you state your workflow and software used on this version, Fotoartist? Many thanks.
This is the look I tend to think of with "ove... (show quote)


Yes, I wanted to overdo it a little for impact. Normally I would back it off a bit. USM applied twice with different settings each time, plus high pass sharpening, plus a little added contrast.
Thanks

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Jan 26, 2020 17:36:58   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Yes, I wanted to overdo it a little for impact. Normally I would back it off a bit. USM applied twice with different settings each time, plus high pass sharpening, plus a little added contrast.
Thanks
Appreciated!

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