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Jan 26, 2020 11:11:42   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Keith S wrote:
Hi All UHH Members,

I am thinking about moving from my Canon t2i to a full frame camera. I can't spend more than about 2k. My current lenses are only good for my t2i, so everything requires change.

I am asking for suggestions that fit into the $2k catagory. Of course maybe a package deal for starters.

I like my t2i but am not set on staying with canon. BTW I shoot mostly outdoors and landscape and nature. I am very novice at this.

Thanks for your suggestions in advance.

Keith
Hi All UHH Members, br br I am thinking about mov... (show quote)


Well, you're going to need a lens, so there's not much sense looking at camera bodies only. You'll get the most bang for your buck buying a kit with both camera and lens.

Canon 26MP EOS RP mirrorless w/ RF 24-105L IS USM lens... $1900
Canon 26MP 6D Mark II DSLR with EF 24-105mm IS STM lens (not the L)... $1800
Canon 26MP EOS RP mirrorless w/ EF 24-105 STM and EF to RF adapter... $1700.
Canon 26MP EOS RP mirrorless w/ RF 24-240mm IS USM lens... $1500.

That's it, for current full frame Canon camera AND lens kits under $2000.

Other brand FF cameras WITH lens under $2000:

Sony 42MP a7RII mirrorless w/ FE 28-70mm lens... $1800.
Sony 24MP a7III mirrorless w/ FE 28-70mm lens... $2000.

Nikon 24MP D610 DSLR with 50mm f/1.8 lens, battery grip... $900.
Nikon 24MP Z6 mirrorless (refurbished) w/24-70mm lens... $1800.
Nikon 24MP D750 DSLR with 24-120mm lens... $2000.

You also could get a 32.5MP Canon 90D, a much newer APS-C format DSLR that can utilize any and all lenses that fit your current camera... $1200 for body only.
The 32.5MP Canon M6 Mark II mirrorless is another possibility, though you would need an adapter to use your current lenses on it... $850 body only.

The last two options would leave some of your budget for lens upgrades or other things you might want.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:11:47   #
zenagain Loc: Pueblo CO
 
I'm a Nikon guy so don't know anything about Canon choices, but, i recently upgraded from crop to FF.
I went used with B&H. They have a great reputation and all my dealings with them and Adorama have been great.
I purchased a used Nikon D810 described as being in EX condition. It was right at $1000.00 (was $3,000+ new) and i could not tell it had ever been used, shutter count was only 3,300
I also have purchased a few used lenses from both Adorama and B&H. And can't see a reason for me anyway to buy new. Saves a lot of cash that can be used for more equiptment.
Best of luck, reading through the previous coments you have a lot of good advice.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:14:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Keith S wrote:
Hi All UHH Members,

I am thinking about moving from my Canon t2i to a full frame camera. I can't spend more than about 2k. My current lenses are only good for my t2i, so everything requires change.

I am asking for suggestions that fit into the $2k catagory. Of course maybe a package deal for starters.

I like my t2i but am not set on staying with canon. BTW I shoot mostly outdoors and landscape and nature. I am very novice at this.

Thanks for your suggestions in advance.

Keith
Hi All UHH Members, br br I am thinking about mov... (show quote)


As others say the R takes ALL your lenses and they ALL work 100% perfectly. With the control adapter they even have advanced functions no one else has with older lenses.
Also Canon is introducing new incredible ground breaking cameras this year that will use all your lenses.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:23:03   #
Hereford Loc: Palm Coast, FL
 
LFingar wrote:
Canon's crop sensor DSLRs can use both EF and EF-s lenses. It's full frame DSLRs can use only EF lenses. The R series can use all EF, EF-s, and RF lenses.


Finally a correct and concise answer about Canon lens/camera compatibility.

If you wish to continue with Canon for familiarity it would seem you should get the Canon RP mirrorless so your current EF-S lenses can be used on FF camera. That would give you FF within your budget.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:29:04   #
bleirer
 
Hereford wrote:
Finally a correct and concise answer about Canon lens/camera compatibility.

If you wish to continue with Canon for familiarity it would seem you should get the Canon RP mirrorless so your current EF-S lenses can be used on FF camera. That would give you FF within your budget.


Did someone point out that the ef-s lens on the RP is limited to the crop mode, so pixels are lost from 26 megapixels with an ef or rf lens down to 10.1 megapixels with the ef-s. Same 3:2 ratio in both though.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:44:04   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Keen wrote:
This is why I went with Nikon. Crop frame Nikons, and Full Frame Nikons, can use the same lenses. I started out with a Crop Frame camera, and bought mostly Full Frame lenses for it. When I moved up to a Full Frame camera it could use the lenses, and batteries, I already had. Canon is another story. When I learned how incompatible the Canon Crop Frame system was with the Canon Full Frame system, I decided that Canon does not exist as far as I am concerned. I have heard nothing new to change my mind. Sites like this, Youtube, etc, will give you advice about which Canon items are allegedly worth owning. Since you have to change anyway-from what you currently have-consider changing to a Nikon DSLR system. The F Mount cameras will be around for awhile yet, but will be dropping in price as the Z Mount stuff begins to catch on. Even now you can get old Ai, Ai-S, AF, and AF-D, lenses for Nikon cameras such as the D750. One AF lens-from the film camera days-cost me $29.00...for a 28-80mm lens that still works great on my DSLR. An older 70-300mm lens cost me just $79.00. You won’t get bargains like that on Canon gear.
This is why I went with Nikon. Crop frame Nikons, ... (show quote)

I just picked up a Nikon AF 35-135 in excellent condition for $22. Even tho I shoot crop frame Nikons half of my lenses are full frame which can be used on all of my crop sensors . I could pick up a new or used full frame Nikon and use half of my lenses without the camera cropping down.

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Jan 26, 2020 11:50:10   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
Keith S wrote:
Hi All UHH Members,

I am thinking about moving from my Canon t2i to a full frame camera. I can't spend more than about 2k. My current lenses are only good for my t2i, so everything requires change.

I am asking for suggestions that fit into the $2k catagory. Of course maybe a package deal for starters.

I like my t2i but am not set on staying with canon. BTW I shoot mostly outdoors and landscape and nature. I am very novice at this.

Thanks for your suggestions in advance.

Keith
Hi All UHH Members, br br I am thinking about mov... (show quote)


Why? What do you hope to gain through your proposed cash infusion? How is you current kit failing you? Do you think that new equipment would automatically result in better photos? Is it possible that you would get a better return on your money by investing in photo training to upgrade the photographer rather than chasing after equipment.

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Jan 26, 2020 12:02:40   #
tbsteph Loc: Ohio
 
photogeneralist wrote:
Why? What do you hope to gain through your proposed cash infusion? How is you current kit failing you? Do you think that new equipment would automatically result in better photos? Is it possible that you would get a better return on your money by investing in photo training to upgrade the photographer rather than chasing after equipment.


Best answer yet. I would just add why do you feel the need to move toward a FF camera?

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Jan 26, 2020 12:05:23   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bleirer wrote:
Did someone point out that the ef-s lens on the RP is limited to the crop mode, so pixels are lost from 26 megapixels with an ef or rf lens down to 10.1 megapixels with the ef-s. Same 3:2 ratio in both though.


6 MP is not too bad.


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Jan 26, 2020 12:29:27   #
dick ranez
 
Consider an 80D - heavily discounted since the announcement of the 90D. You should be able to buy one for $800 or so. If you have to spend $2000 use the rest of it for new/better lenses. Full frame is over-rated in many respects, but unless you specialize in action sports, a new 6Dii is well within your budget with enough left over for a new lens or two.

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Jan 26, 2020 12:30:56   #
EdU239 Loc: The Northeast
 
Keith S wrote:
Hi All UHH Members,

I am thinking about moving from my Canon t2i to a full frame camera. I can't spend more than about 2k. My current lenses are only good for my t2i, so everything requires change.

I am asking for suggestions that fit into the $2k catagory. Of course maybe a package deal for starters.

I like my t2i but am not set on staying with canon. BTW I shoot mostly outdoors and landscape and nature. I am very novice at this.

Thanks for your suggestions in advance.

Keith
Hi All UHH Members, br br I am thinking about mov... (show quote)


If you haven’t done so, you might want to rent or at least handle and take pictures with one of the Canon FFs so you can see what it gives you that your T2i doesn’t. As a practical matter, remember that you will need to adjust your expectations to account for the effective shortening of a lens’s focal length when you go from a cropped to a full-frame sensor. Also, it may not be important to you, but the FF DSLRs and particularly the EF lenses will be heavier than you are used to and you might notice that in the field. The mirrorless R and RP are similar in weight to the cropped sensor cameras, but again the RF lenses are comparatively heavy. (I rented an RP with an RF 24-105 lens and thought the combination was an ergonomic joke.)

I would look at the 6D/6D II or a used/refurbished 5D III, but I would also compare them with a cropped sensor 80D or 90D (the 80D would probably fit your budget better).

Good luck!

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Jan 26, 2020 12:51:39   #
bleirer
 
Architect1776 wrote:
6 MP is not too bad.


It's just factual information the OP might want to know if they get the wrong impression that the efs lenses will be full frame.

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Jan 26, 2020 12:52:29   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
gvarner wrote:
So Canon isn’t downward compatible with all of its lenses and bodies? That’s good to know.


And it’s just as well that EF-S (crop) lenses won’t mount on FF Canon bodies. First, with DSLRs, there’s the potential issue of physical interference between the rear lens and the camera’s mirror. But, more importantly, there is really no point in putting crop lenses on FF bodies. If you aren’t willing to move to FF lenses, then don’t bother to move to FF bodies. Even with a Nikon FF in DX mode, the performance in terms of resolution is likely as good or better with your DX lens mounted on a DX body. There’s just no point in it.

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Jan 26, 2020 13:07:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
tbsteph wrote:
Best answer yet. I would just add why do you feel the need to move toward a FF camera?


Most professionals already know the answer.

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Jan 26, 2020 13:17:46   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
I prefer tho Sony line. But if you are switching/upgradeing you really need to look at the mirrorless models from all manufactures. You currently have the most lens options with the sony line up. Adapters are out there for almost every brand of manufacturer since the 1950's Many adapters cost as little as $10 on eBay. I have used everything from my 1950's vintage Exackta lenses to Rollie, Canon and even my Celestron telescope on my Sony mirrorless cameras. I'm betting there are adapters for your lenses too. A word of advice that others have echoed: just as in cars, you don't want the first generation. There are too many bugs. I shoot landscape, and definitely prefer the advantages of mirrorless such as full control of exposure compensation in cluding WB and focus/depth of focus with focus peaking. All of that in real time. and truly "what you see is what you get". By all means rent one or borrow one to test before you buy. There are times when a fully manual lens like old film lenses are preferred, such as MilkyWay photography. Example below is my a7iii with an old Rollie 35mm "film" lens.



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