Compare bone spur intelligence with other presidents (Page 8): Just what in my statement did you find offensive?

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Texcaster wrote:

"No one loves America more'n me and Grandma but I do wonder about her sometimes." Peekin'

You sound like the quintessential leghumper bar stool patriot.

Just what in my statement did you find offensive?

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

gorgehiker wrote:

I guess you couldn't figure out who is more prolific.

Well George, you are correct, I misstated, I apologize.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

phcaan wrote:

and you sound like just what you are, a disrespectful anti-American socialist progressive. You never cease to exceed expectations, thank you.

... but of course everyone but you and Grandma is anti-American.

Get back to me after you can fly a vet-made flag, made in a vet-owned workshop, designed in a vet-owned studio. jusayin'

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

gorgehiker wrote:

Interview everybody from both sides. We can have a whole new must see TV reality show that will last for decades with all kinds of episodes created by the Trump circus. We could have seasons based on quid pro quo, obstruction of justice, the fraudulent Trump Foundation, the revolving door for positions in the cabinet, the "incoherent" foreign policy, the emoluments clause, etc., etc.

George, I have stated before, if Trump actually participated in quid pro quo, it is not illegal, Joe Biden proved that.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Texcaster wrote:

... but of course everyone but you and Grandma is anti-American.

Get back to me after you can fly a vet-made flag, made in a vet-owned workshop, designed in a vet-owned studio. jusayin'

I ask you again, just what in my statement did you find offensive?

"I support individual freedom, responsibility, and rights. I also support America's sovereignty, Constitution, bill of rights, and laws. I am sure that makes me a nationalist, and I am proud to be one. Being a nationalist has nothing to do with racism or bigotry, it has to do with national loyalty and patriotic pride in our nation."

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

phcaan wrote:

I ask you again, just what in my statement did you find offensive?

"I support individual freedom, responsibility, and rights. I also support America's sovereignty, Constitution, bill of rights, and laws. I am sure that makes me a nationalist, and I am proud to be one. Being a nationalist has nothing to do with racism or bigotry, it has to do with national loyalty and patriotic pride in our nation."

It's the part about you and Grandma owning patriotism and everyone else is anti-American. You do it all the time.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Texcaster wrote:

It's the part about you and Grandma owning patriotism and everyone else is anti-American. You do it all the time.

Sometimes you seem to demean the values that made this country great, and I have no Grandma anymore, I wish I did she was a wonderful person.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

phcaan wrote:

George, I have stated before, if Trump actually participated in quid pro quo, it is not illegal, Joe Biden proved that.

I find it amazing that you Trumpeters equate the two actions.

- Biden was acting legally on behalf of the US government, with the backing of Allies, World Bank, and even Ukraine Parliament; Trump was acting on behalf of himself and his re-election campaign.
- Biden was getting rid of a corrupt prosecutor; Trump was being corrupt in asking a foreign power to investigate a US citizen and dig up dirt to be used in his campaign. And THAT IS illegal.
- Biden admitted to using a quid pro quo pressure tactic on Ukraine; Trump denied using it -- yet you try to make the case that both actions are equivalent. You can't have it both ways.

And if you are somehow able to weasel your way out of the illegality of Trump's actions, how can you justify them as being acceptable behaviour?

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

JohnFrim wrote:

I find it amazing that you Trumpeters equate the t... (show quote)

Nice story, where did you get it? From the Maddow show? Your entire premise is contrived by your left wing "let's make up another one" factory. You can twist and spin this any way you want it, but it is still nothing.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

phcaan wrote:

Nice story, where did you get it? From the Maddow show? Your entire premise is contrived by your left wing "let's make up another one" factory. You can twist and spin this any way you want it, but it is still nothing.

There are many sources of the truth. I knew you wouldn't believe a "fake news media" story from a US source, so try this one from the UK:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49800181

Here is an excerpt from near the top of the article:

"Mr Trump is accused of breaking the law by pressuring Ukraine's leader to dig up damaging information on a political rival.
In July, he urged his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate one of the frontrunners to take him on in next year's presidential election. This matters because it is illegal to ask foreign entities for help in winning a US election."

Here is an excerpt from near the end of the article:

"Mr Trump has pointed to a boast Mr Biden made in 2018 about how as vice-president he had threatened to withhold a billion dollars in aid from Ukraine unless the prosecutor was fired.
But motivation is key here. Mr Biden wanted him removed precisely because he was failing to crack down on corruption. And the vice-president was not acting alone, but rather as the focal point of a wider anti-corruption drive in Ukraine backed by the US government, European allies and the International Monetary Fund.
Mr Trump pressing a foreign leader to investigate the discredited allegations against Mr Biden is significant. This is because Mr Biden is the current favourite to win the Democratic nomination and, if chosen, he would be the man facing Mr Trump for the presidency in November 2020.
As Mr Biden is his biggest rival for the presidency, it opens Mr Trump up to claims he was working with a foreign power to influence the election. This - crucially - is against the law."

Of course, I expect you will dismiss this evidence as meaningless.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

JohnFrim wrote:

There are many sources of the truth. I knew you wo... (show quote)

I not only dismiss your somewhat slanted "evidence" I also dismiss you. Uncle Joe Biden has about as much chance of winning an election against Donald Trump a plow horse has of winning the Kentucky Derby.
Joe Biden is not a contender, he is a joke.

Kalskag2

EyeSawYou wrote:

You have proof that Trump is in so much debt and owns nothing? If you know so much about his finances why would you need to see his tax returns?

And how would you know anything about his finances? Maybe you believe him, after all, he always tells the truth.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

phcaan wrote:

I not only dismiss your somewhat slanted "evidence" I also dismiss you. Uncle Joe Biden has about as much chance of winning an election against Donald Trump a plow horse has of winning the Kentucky Derby.
Joe Biden is not a contender, he is a joke.

Deflection... a typical Trumpeter response when caught with pants down and nowhere to hide.

Don't disprove the evidence, just dismiss it, along with the messenger.

This discussion point is not about Biden winning against Trump; it is about the illegal activities of POTUS regarding Ukraine, which you chose to compare to the legal activities of Biden regarding Ukraine.

Need another really sweet example of deflection/dismissal... followed by a 180 degree turn, no less? Trump and his band of merry Trumpeters claimed the whistleblower was spewing lies and 2nd/3rd hand information, so completely not to be believed. So why do the House Republicans now want him/her to testify? Further, the law says whistleblower identity has to be withheld and protected; yet the entire orchestra of Trumpeters want him/her exposed. I guess it is OK to break the law if it serves DA MAN!!!!

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Kalskag2 wrote:

And how would you know anything about his finances? Maybe you believe him, after all, he always tells the truth.

It wouldn't make any difference what he said or did, you would continue to hate him. The problem is that we are much better off now than anytime with Obama at the helm. Where I live we went from a dying little town to all the shops on main street now occupied and doing well VS 90% of them empty. There are jobs for people now where under the last administration they went away for 8 years. Say what you will, but prosperity is a tough act to follow.