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Oct 28, 2019 17:12:18   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
One more "it won't go away" for your consideration. We listen to a wonderful classical music station out of London. ClassicFM . More than a month ago, the morning guy announced that cassette tapes were making a return to the UK. Why? I have no idea. But there it is.

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Oct 28, 2019 18:09:27   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
elliott937 wrote:
One more "it won't go away" for your consideration. We listen to a wonderful classical music station out of London. ClassicFM . More than a month ago, the morning guy announced that cassette tapes were making a return to the UK. Why? I have no idea. But there it is.


I still have a pile of cassettes and a player but I put most of them on digital CD and files. I figure they will die of just old age, some already have. When I went to transfer my cassettes of me reading the entire "Hobbit" to my students I found the tapes had deteriorated to being just noise and junk.

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Oct 28, 2019 18:15:09   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Robert, I am not surprised at all about what you just said. And if you Google Cassette, you will even see a reference of cassettes having a longer life than a CD. I find this very hard to believe, at least that statement. But the fact that there is a resurgence in Europe it is now fact. Go figure!

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Oct 28, 2019 19:37:09   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
elliott937 wrote:
Robert, I am not surprised at all about what you just said. And if you Google Cassette, you will even see a reference of cassettes having a longer life than a CD. I find this very hard to believe, at least that statement. But the fact that there is a resurgence in Europe it is now fact. Go figure!


Yes it is. The folks at the Ticonderoga pencil company are also celebrating the resurgence.

Andy

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Oct 29, 2019 07:09:33   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Barn Owl wrote:
elliott937, Thank you for your perspective. I am old enough to remember an iconic company called Kodak.
My first digital camera (2004) was a Kodak DX7630.

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Oct 29, 2019 07:11:06   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
At the time David, that was a 'super camera', wasn't it? And how does it perform today?

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Oct 29, 2019 09:37:03   #
jerseymike
 
elliott937 wrote:
I have a couple of thoughts to offer. First, in my world of education, I have seen the "pendulum" swing back and forth so many times, so when a "radical or different" idea comes across, especially if it is lacking common sense, just wait a few years and the "radical / different" pendulum will swing back. The downside is that it often doesn't stop at the neutral spot and continues to the other extreme. But, not to worry, it will swing back. Example: conventional classroom, one teacher and a group of students ... then "Open Space" moves across the country, usually west to east, resulting in four teachers, four groups of students, all in one large "classroom pod" configuration. Then ... educators realize it was a bad idea, then spend millions retrofitting those "Open Space" back to the traditional setting ... can you imagine? ... one teacher and a group of students. That has gone on for the three decades I taught high school, and I continue to see more changes in high schools, thankfully I am now teaching college classes.

I'm very confident this will happen in the photography world.

AND, about film? Our university has offered degrees in photography, to include both digital and film, complete with darkrooms. Over the 22 years I've been teaching college classes, (physics not photography), I've observed that enrollment has never flattened, and continues to increase.

Unusual anomaly? Remember the LP records? They haven't disappeared either. In fact, in the UK, I've learned recording stars insist their releases be offered three ways: (a) download, (b) compact disc, and (c) on LP vinyl. LP record sales also have increased in the USA for the past ten years. You did notice, didn't you, the (b) option was ... CD, standing for compact disc?

So I have not a single doubt that our DSLR (w/mirror) will continue to decrease. After all, the big camera makers must "improve the mouse trap", hence mirror-less. But DSLR, w/mirror or wo/mirror, will never disappear. In fact, I predict that sales will spike upwardly again, with aspiring photographers will bring it all back by 2030.

On that note, I'll tip toe out of here with my two 5DII bodies, three L lenses, and plan to continue shooting far into the next decade.
I have a couple of thoughts to offer. First, in m... (show quote)


I don't think so. Perhaps tunnel vision plays a large role in defending DSLR's. I have one and I use it. Not a lot. No matter where you go today here or abroad cell phones rule. More people use those than DSLR's. When those younger users have a family/children their children will know of nothing other than cell phones. There is no need for them to progress to anything else. They will not be aware of "real" cameras there is no need for it. If you use a DSLR I don't think there is a need to belittle or demean a picture or a person with a cell phone. I don't understand the need to do so
In closing I will say my wife wanted to go to the camera show in NYC. She went there I went to MOMA and we met for lunch. I arrived first and when she came in I knew something was afoot. She bought a Sony A7R111 and a lens. I said nothing just ordered another drink. I wonder what she will think when I get my new Audi in December?

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Oct 29, 2019 09:38:49   #
Barn Owl
 
There may be factors that are being left out of trends in photography. As some photographers age, some of them working "solo" have more problems with distinctive fast vision and steadiness. (Thank goodness for autofocus and IS.) Also, complications with hauling around heavy equipment can become more of a challenge. (Thank you mirrorless cameras, cell phones, and lighter lenses.) And finally, I don't miss the chemical odors and dumping tanks from my dark room endeavors. Plus, scratches or dust on negatives are no longer a concern. Not being a "purist", I enjoy photographing with my digital camera, running as many images or videos as I want on a memory card, working "magic light" and/or fill flashes with a modern flash unit, editing my images with Photo Shop. (Lightroom, etc. for thousands of others.) And yes, on occasion, removing a yellow trash can, plastic cup, or other blurred artifact I did not see in the imagine. Uploading my edited photos into a well established trusted, quality printing company (They usually have expensive printers, quality paper and chemicals, plus experienced staff.) Finally, receiving my prints, which I can enjoy for years and/or give as gifts, back in the mail within two or three days. From there, I can be back out with my camera and challenging the "gods" of creativity. Or having a cup of coffee and reading the commentaries on the UHH. Onward into autumn...

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Oct 29, 2019 11:40:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Cameras are old tools like paint brushes.

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Oct 29, 2019 11:50:51   #
schaut
 
How about a digital camera that has the mechanics of a dslr and records on both film (or some kind of microfilm) and a card about the size of a cell phone or tab? Has anyone invented such a thing yet? I'm remembering back to a few things i have read about slides giving the best results. This would be the best of both worlds. I have a little device that converts film negatives to digital. Could some one have invented a camera that saves both like when you can save a raw and a jpeg on a dslr?

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Oct 29, 2019 19:58:22   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
elliott937 wrote:
At the time David, that was a 'super camera', wasn't it? And how does it perform today?
It was pretty good--took good pictures, but the capture delay and poor low-light performance didn't satisfy me, so I bought a D50 about a year later (under a recommendation from one of my 2 Best Friends, who was a photographer for USAF and used a D50 daily). The Kodak PaS was used for 2 major trips, though--my 2004 tour of New Zealand and my 85-day auto trip in 2005 covering much of the eastern half of the US and Canada. (My visit with my BFF was near the end of the 2005 trip, which spanned 11,750 miles, 700 of those on poor gravel roads in Labrador and Quebec--my 1966 Mustang suffered greatly on those and needed some TLC.)

I have not tried using the Kodak recently, and don't have the ability to recharge its battery. It's controls are also pretty sticky. When it was in use, though, I did have the accessory wide-angle and telephoto auxiliary lenses, so wasn't as limited in what I could shoot as one might think. I'm not ashamed of the pictures I took with that little camera. (Photos were 2856 x 1904 pixels, or 5.4MP, pretty low resolution by today's standards, but still good enough for many purposes.)

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Oct 29, 2019 20:34:11   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
jerseymike wrote:
I don't think so. Perhaps tunnel vision plays a large role in defending DSLR's. I have one and I use it. Not a lot. No matter where you go today here or abroad cell phones rule. More people use those than DSLR's. When those younger users have a family/children their children will know of nothing other than cell phones. There is no need for them to progress to anything else. They will not be aware of "real" cameras there is no need for it. If you use a DSLR I don't think there is a need to belittle or demean a picture or a person with a cell phone. I don't understand the need to do so
In closing I will say my wife wanted to go to the camera show in NYC. She went there I went to MOMA and we met for lunch. I arrived first and when she came in I knew something was afoot. She bought a Sony A7R111 and a lens. I said nothing just ordered another drink. I wonder what she will think when I get my new Audi in December?
I don't think so. Perhaps tunnel vision plays a la... (show quote)


Honestly, who cares? Our kids, and grands, and great grands, will remember the images, whether or not they have a clue as to how they were obtained. Nobody is taking a count of how many frames from the 80s, 70s, or 60s were made with which format or brand. Encourage your kids to see photographs, to capture them with whatever tools they have, and to share them as widely as possible.

If they find and use better tools than we have, whether on their phones or in a retinal implant, I don't really care. I'm just glad that so many millennials are becoming allies in the preservation and use of analog technologies.

Andy

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Oct 29, 2019 23:56:54   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Barn Owl wrote:
Here is one that will probably upset many Hoggers. A couple of older Canadian guys talking photography on a park bench. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6KlE2gV2M Still, don't several of their comments make sense? Either way, onward into the magnificence of autumn colors.


What?

“In 2014, according to Mary Meeker's annual Internet Trends report, people uploaded an average of 1.8 billion digital images every single day. That's 657 billion photos per year.”
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/how-many-photographs-of-you-are-out-there-in-the-world/413389/

“Estimates suggest that more than 1 trillion photos were taken in 2018.”
Source: https://theconversation.com/of-the-trillion-photos-taken-in-2018-which-were-the-most-memorable-108815

Cameras are not disappearing. To the contrary, cameras are increasing in number. Almost everyone has a camera today. Some have more than one. They have just changed shape.

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Oct 30, 2019 00:36:50   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
JD750 wrote:
What?

“In 2014, according to Mary Meeker's annual Internet Trends report, people uploaded an average of 1.8 billion digital images every single day. That's 657 billion photos per year.”
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/how-many-photographs-of-you-are-out-there-in-the-world/413389/

“Estimates suggest that more than 1 trillion photos were taken in 2018.”
Source: https://theconversation.com/of-the-trillion-photos-taken-in-2018-which-were-the-most-memorable-108815

Cameras are not disappearing. To the contrary, cameras are increasing in number. Almost everyone has a camera today. Some have more than one. They have just changed shape.
What? br br “In 2014, according to Mary Meeker's... (show quote)




Andy

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Oct 30, 2019 11:18:54   #
Barn Owl
 
AndyH, You are correct. How many of us look at some old family photo or historical print and concern ourselves with what gear was used to take the photo? I do enjoy using Photo Shop where I can reedit the old photos to remove fungi and crinkles and make them into quality prints. When the younger generation is using their gifts of vision, physical agility, and their brains to take creative photos, who cares what gear is used for the photos?

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