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Jun 20, 2019 15:02:43   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
cascoly wrote:
not to be too negative, but the in recent years it's become very difficult for an independent to get noticed. eg, most of the images you'll see in google images are from microstock agencies which spend large budgets with google adwords, or from other mega sites like pinterest

a more modest goal would be to design the site you describe for a well defined audience such as bird lovers on UHH and similar sites, and rely on word of mouth, not google


I guess that is what I was thinking - not a mega operation but a niche website for 1) people who would like to display their great bird pics with others who are similarly inclined and 2) for those who would like to browse such pictures. I'm not looking to sell my pics or go into the micro stock business. I'm confused about your suggestion to put the website "on UHH and similar sites" - how would one go about putting a website on UHH other than hosting a section of a forum?

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Jun 20, 2019 15:05:00   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
minniev wrote:
I tend to agree with Kenni on the Facebook idea as a starting point. Hosting a closed group would give you control of the membership and the postings, and a base from which to develop a website when you get that worked out. You could invite bird photographers you know, and build from there.

I belong to a closed FB group for photos of wading birds, and it is easily searchable within the group page. I can type in my name to see my own photos that are posted to that group, or "great blue heron" or "roseate spoonbill" to see just the photos posted in the group of those specific birds.
I tend to agree with Kenni on the Facebook idea as... (show quote)


Interesting. I have am a member for a couple of closed groups but I guess I didn't explore the search capabilities of it that much. In fact I've found most of the closed groups as rather limiting (only 5 pictures per day, etc). I'll take a second look.

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Jun 20, 2019 15:36:15   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
MikWar wrote:
Interesting. I have am a member for a couple of closed groups but I guess I didn't explore the search capabilities of it that much. In fact I've found most of the closed groups as rather limiting (only 5 pictures per day, etc). I'll take a second look.


Group admin has a lot of control over how it works. Different groups I belong to have very different rules. I helped develop one of them, so I learned a little more about the underpinnings from that. It's easy to do, free, and can be a jumping off point for other endeavors. It has its limitations of course, being tied to FB, but you can't argue with the price or ease of use.

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Jun 20, 2019 16:12:03   #
cascoly Loc: seattle
 
MikWar wrote:
Interesting suggestions. I looked at your website and it looks like you have it set up like stock photos - charge to download. Has that been successful for you (if you don't mind me asking).

What might not be apparent from my description is that this would be a membership/collaborative effort. Does smugmug have the capability to resister memberships? I will check.


Yes, the idea behind symbiostock was a co-operative of independent photographers. We then web-scraped all member sites to build a global db for searches. http://cascoly-images.com/pix/symbiostock-global-network-search/ but as you can see, there are many dead links as people dropped out due to poor slaes and low visitor numbers

I had a few sales when we first started, but slim to none since then. I now concentrate on my sales thru microstock agencies.

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Jun 20, 2019 16:14:34   #
cascoly Loc: seattle
 
MikWar wrote:
…. I'm confused about your suggestion to put the website "on UHH and similar sites" - how would one go about putting a website on UHH other than hosting a section of a forum?


what I meant was to use UHH and similar social media to build your contributors and advertise your website, rather than trying to use google.

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Jun 21, 2019 12:52:10   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
cascoly wrote:
what I meant was to use UHH and similar social media to build your contributors and advertise your website, rather than trying to use google.


Understood. Thanks!

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Oct 28, 2019 23:28:45   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
dhroberts wrote:
I for one find this to be a great idea, and would happily share my very best images there. With no experience in such things, I have no idea what a reasonable development cost would be.

Perhaps someone who knows more about the various ways to drive people to your site (and get it to rise in Google rank) can chime in here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would presumably permit photographers to retain the copyright to anything posted on your site.

Finally, your criterion of only the best shots would presumably have to be enforced somehow--are you willing to police your site yourself? If it becomes successful that could be a lot of work!
I for one find this to be a great idea, and would ... (show quote)


I don't know if you remember this exchange about an new Bird Photography website, but it is ready for testing. If are still serious about sharing some of your best images I'd be happy to have you as one of my initial testers. I'm obtaining the emails from my testers so if would provide me one here as a Private Message or send me an email at mwarner2543@gmail.com I will send you detailed information on how to get started.
Mike

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Oct 29, 2019 02:03:44   #
Seabastes
 
Have you looked at Photoshelter.com ? It is a site used by many professionals. Basically it is a storage site that you can market from and create your own website. It would be up to you to do the marketing It is a subscription service that would cost way ,way below hiring a web designer. I don't have any personal interest
in Photoshelter other than I make enough sales without doing any marketing to pay for several years of the basic service. This would be for an individual, not a group.

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Oct 29, 2019 07:06:57   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Seabastes wrote:
Have you looked at Photoshelter.com ? It is a site used by many professionals. Basically it is a storage site that you can market from and create your own website. It would be up to you to do the marketing It is a subscription service that would cost way ,way below hiring a web designer. I don't have any personal interest
in Photoshelter other than I make enough sales without doing any marketing to pay for several years of the basic service. This would be for an individual, not a group.


Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it.
Mike

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