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Aug 26, 2019 13:11:13   #
katu41
 
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in my office and commented that it could have been done better. I took the photo of the inside pool at the Hearst Castle more than 10 years ago when my photo skills were primitive. While my skills are somewhat improved, given the back lighting of the large windows, I am not sure I could have done much better.

A few weeks ago I was working on old photos for conversion to black and white and decided I wanted to see what the old Hearst pool photo would look like in black and white. I found the photo and showed it to my wife. Her comments of the old photo were quite negative. I agreed that lacking color totally changed the faithful reproduction of the space. However, B&W also opened up detail that I could not find in the original photo. (I thought the enhanced reflection was quite cool.) My wife found the reflection of the water very confusing and the black and white line distracted from the subject. What!

After 5 minutes of fruitless arguing, I have decided to leave it to the Hoggs to make a few comments on the merits, or lack thereof, of each photo. Given the difficult lighting of the images, I know this photo is not ideal. That said, I need some help in settling our dispute.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:14:51   #
Terrymac Loc: LONDON U.K.
 
I prefer it in b/w. Just saying. Thanks.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:18:06   #
Bykewrydr Loc: Alberta
 
Call me chicken but I ain't going there ... I like them both

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Aug 26, 2019 13:18:54   #
katu41
 
Terrymac wrote:
I prefer it in b/w. Just saying. Thanks.


You are the first to weigh in. My wife was not impressed with you comment (well intentioned as it may be). She has her opinion and short of an endorsement from Ansel Adams I don't think it is going to change.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:19:55   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
katu41 wrote:
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in my office and commented that it could have been done better. I took the photo of the inside pool at the Hearst Castle more than 10 years ago when my photo skills were primitive. While my skills are somewhat improved, given the back lighting of the large windows, I am not sure I could have done much better.

A few weeks ago I was working on old photos for conversion to black and white and decided I wanted to see what the old Hearst pool photo would look like in black and white. I found the photo and showed it to my wife. Her comments of the old photo were quite negative. I agreed that lacking color totally changed the faithful reproduction of the space. However, B&W also opened up detail that I could not find in the original photo. (I thought the enhanced reflection was quite cool.) My wife found the reflection of the water very confusing and the black and white line distracted from the subject. What!

After 5 minutes of fruitless arguing, I have decided to leave it to the Hoggs to make a few comments on the merits, or lack thereof, of each photo. Given the difficult lighting of the images, I know this photo is not ideal. That said, I need some help in settling our dispute.
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in ... (show quote)

Don't want to get between you and your wife. I agree with her only on the Black and White. It is dull and lacks contrast. However I believe the color version is excellent.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:20:03   #
katu41
 
Bykewrydr wrote:
Call me chicken but I ain't going there ... I like them both


I don't need diplomacy I need people to take sides. This is war.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:22:16   #
katu41
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
Don't want to get between you and your wife. I agree with her only on the Black and White. It is dull and lacks contrast. However I believe the color version is excellent.


Stan, I thought you had my back. I'll go back and see if I can find the missing contrast.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:23:11   #
Bykewrydr Loc: Alberta
 
after 62 years of marriage I learned one thing quit when your still even

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Aug 26, 2019 13:23:32   #
gtheodore Loc: Fort Collins CO
 
Stick with the color version

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Aug 26, 2019 13:25:19   #
Bykewrydr Loc: Alberta
 
after 62 years of marriage I learned on thing ... quit while your still even

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Aug 26, 2019 13:34:08   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
katu41 wrote:
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in my office and commented that it could have been done better. I took the photo of the inside pool at the Hearst Castle more than 10 years ago when my photo skills were primitive. While my skills are somewhat improved, given the back lighting of the large windows, I am not sure I could have done much better.

A few weeks ago I was working on old photos for conversion to black and white and decided I wanted to see what the old Hearst pool photo would look like in black and white. I found the photo and showed it to my wife. Her comments of the old photo were quite negative. I agreed that lacking color totally changed the faithful reproduction of the space. However, B&W also opened up detail that I could not find in the original photo. (I thought the enhanced reflection was quite cool.) My wife found the reflection of the water very confusing and the black and white line distracted from the subject. What!

After 5 minutes of fruitless arguing, I have decided to leave it to the Hoggs to make a few comments on the merits, or lack thereof, of each photo. Given the difficult lighting of the images, I know this photo is not ideal. That said, I need some help in settling our dispute.
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in ... (show quote)


I think the exposure on the B&W with the reflection is very engaging. I do not care for the crop, but nothing is perfect, and I have been in that room, which is difficult to photograph given the access and time constraints placed on tour groups.

OBTW, just up the coast is the pier where Hurst landed and stored his purchased artworks and material before it goes up to the house. I was in the process of shooting a panorama of the remains of the pier and the beach when my Wife says another angle would be better.

I reached into my bag, pulled out my Sony RX100M4, handed it to her and said, "go ahead, show me."

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Aug 26, 2019 13:39:27   #
GreyOwl40 Loc: Quebec City
 
I carefully examined both and decided to become your wife's ally. I think that you will lose this battle, maybe even the war.

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Aug 26, 2019 13:53:35   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The color photo has the same potential as the black and white photo. It just needs to be processed adequately.
--Bob
katu41 wrote:
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in my office and commented that it could have been done better. I took the photo of the inside pool at the Hearst Castle more than 10 years ago when my photo skills were primitive. While my skills are somewhat improved, given the back lighting of the large windows, I am not sure I could have done much better.

A few weeks ago I was working on old photos for conversion to black and white and decided I wanted to see what the old Hearst pool photo would look like in black and white. I found the photo and showed it to my wife. Her comments of the old photo were quite negative. I agreed that lacking color totally changed the faithful reproduction of the space. However, B&W also opened up detail that I could not find in the original photo. (I thought the enhanced reflection was quite cool.) My wife found the reflection of the water very confusing and the black and white line distracted from the subject. What!

After 5 minutes of fruitless arguing, I have decided to leave it to the Hoggs to make a few comments on the merits, or lack thereof, of each photo. Given the difficult lighting of the images, I know this photo is not ideal. That said, I need some help in settling our dispute.
This morning my wife looked at a photo hanging in ... (show quote)

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Aug 26, 2019 14:01:29   #
Bykewrydr Loc: Alberta
 
WOW JUST GIVE IN BUY HER A DOZON ROSES AND FOR GET IT YOU LOSE DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENS

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Aug 26, 2019 14:11:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
So easy! Look at your wife and say, "I could have done better." With the right expression on your face, she'll get the meaning.

"After 5 minutes of fruitless arguing..." Is there any other kind?

If you're keeping score, I prefer the color version.

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