Canon T7i vs. 77D (Page 2): Knox - every i-series Rebel since the T3i - has had the fully-articulating (flip-out) LCD screen. The T4i - added the Touch-Screen feature, as well (soon...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

knoxworks wrote:

I have a Rebel XTi and one older Rebel, and I'm re... (show quote)

Knox - every i-series Rebel since the T3i - has had the fully-articulating (flip-out) LCD screen. The T4i - added the Touch-Screen feature, as well (soon followed in the 70D and all models of that series since.)
The 60D was the first of that series with it, but lacked the Touch-Screen feature. The SL2 and SL3 also have the flip-out Touch Screen. (The SL1 had a fixed screen, though, as do both of the 7D models.) The 6D2 is the first FF Canon DSLR to offer the Fully-Articulating Touch Screen, altho' others do offer Touch.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Orson Burleigh wrote:

Just to add the information that refurbished 80D bundles which include an EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens and the excellent EF-S 55-250 f/4-5.6 IS STM lens are on the Canon USA site at less than $700.00 ($100.00 less than the price for a refurb 80D body with no lenses). This price may represent the rumored impending launch of a 90D replacement for the 80D, but an 80D will continue to be a very good all-rounder camera.

Canon rumors says the sale is to clear the warehouse shelves before the 90D comes out.
There are actually two bundles at $699. The two lens kit you mentioned and a second one with the 18-55 and a flash.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

robertjerl wrote:

Canon rumors says the sale is to clear the warehouse shelves before the 90D comes out.
There are actually two bundles at $699. The two lens kit you mentioned and a second one with the 18-55 and a flash.

Yes, indeed, Jerry!! … Doubt whether either will last long - particularly, that one with the 55-250 thrown in!!

knoxworks Loc: Western Mass.

Thank you all for all the comments and opinions! They are quite helpful. I will do more research since some of you mentioned models I have not considered.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

knoxworks wrote:

Thank you all for all the comments and opinions! They are quite helpful. I will do more research since some of you mentioned models I have not considered.

Knox - a web page I've found useful for going back and forth comparing features is the Canon Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_77D

At the very bottom - there are some quite useful tables. One allows quick comparison of basic features of all Canon models. Another table compares all similar models produced by other companies. Another compares all models in other categories. Just use the blue hyperlinks to go to each Wiki page on that particular model.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

knoxworks wrote:

I have a Rebel XTi and one older Rebel, and I'm re... (show quote)

The "Rebel" T7i and "EOS" 77D are virtually identical cameras, aside from some differences in control layout and displays (including the add'l LCD screen on the top of the camera).

The 77D might have some video enhancements... I'm not sure (I don't shoot video with my DSLRs, so haven't really looked into this).

I use currently several Canon DSLRs with the little LCD screen on top and have used a bunch of different ones with that layout over the years.

IMO, that LCD display is too small to be of much use other than when holding the camera relatively close... I reference it all the time, to check my settings. But the camera is usually on a strap around my neck and/or being held about waist high or a little closer.

It's also a monochromatic display that's more difficult to see out in bright sunlight... has back-lighting that can be illuminated with the push of a button, which definitely helps in low light and might help at times in direct sunlight.

Using the Q-button to display the settings on the rear, full color LCD might be easier for you. Most of the same settings are shown on the Q-screen. Tilted upward, that screen is probably your best bet on the camera itself.

Have you got a smart phone or a tablet and tried using the camera's WiFi connectivity? That might be the best solution of all for you. That can be done fairly easily while near the camera (limited range with the WiFi). You'd need to install the Canon Utilities or the Canon Connect app on your phone or tablet. With a tablet, you also might be able to make a wired connection, if you prefer. (Depends upon the tablet's connectivity and operating system.)

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

amfoto1 wrote:

The "Rebel" T7i and "EOS" 77D ... (show quote)

Originally, Alan - I'd thought the EOS 77D was the ONLY Canon DSLR, thus far, with Stabilized Video, but, it turns out the Rebel T7i has it, too - so choosing between them, based on that feature, alone, is not at all feasible. It's true the Top-Deck LCD is much smaller on the 77D than Top-Deck LCDs are, on bigger Canon DSLRs - even the 80D, the 70D and the 60D - but, it most definitely does make a difference when using a Tripod - which is the Op's main concern. Being that is the case - any of the models which feature the larger Top-Deck LCD will be an asset. But, note - the only Rebel-named camera which features the Top-Deck LCD is the older T6s - but because it's a bigger camera than the 77D/T7i - it may have a slightly bigger form. (But not by much!)

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

knoxworks wrote:

Thank you all for all the comments and opinions! They are quite helpful. I will do more research since some of you mentioned models I have not considered.

BTW, Knox … if you DO use the Wiki page for comparing Canon models - note that it seems to've been put together in the UK rather than the USA - so, you won't find Rebel denotations in the table. Here's the T4i pg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_650D

As explained on THIS page, at the top - Canon uses three labels, in various areas of the world. In the UK - they use numbers - thus the T4i is a 650D. In Japan - it's a Kiss something or other. If you bear in mind the T4i and 650D are the same model, and then - go up from there, you'll have it. For example - the T5i is the 700D, and the T6i is the 750D, and the T6s is the 760D, and the T7i, therefore - is the 800D - there! Got it?

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

Chris T wrote:

Knox - just a few thoughts on this. Essentially - the two bodies are the same camera, but with some very minor differences. The obvious one is the inclusion of the Top-Deck LCD on the 77D, but, in order to do that, Canon had to make some changes. First off - the screen is much, much smaller, than the ones on the EOS XX series (50D, 60D, 70D, 80D) … and - ever since the 60D, the buttons have lined up corresponding to the display segments (don't think they do on the 77D) and, of course - the switch has been moved over to the left - behind the Program Dial (as on the 60D, et al) instead of being just behind the Program Dial on the right - as it is with all Rebels. Also, you have Stabilized Video - in the 77D - a God's Send - which you don't have in the 80D - a BIG plus. There are also some other minor control changes. There are many, many comparison tests already available on the Net - comparing the two models. Many put the T7i ahead on sharpness, and reproducing fine detail, but the faster processor - may actually obscure some of that. Basically, what it comes down to is this - go with the T7i - and you have a seemingly more capable camera, with the red Rebel legend on the outside of the body, or - forego that luxury in favor of the top LCD screen - which you will have in the T6S or any of the EOS XX series. But do note - the T6S/T6i is a bigger body than the 77D/T7i, and has only 9 Focus Points, whereas all the later models have 19. If money is your main concern, however, the T6i/T6s (refurb.) may suit your needs better. If a well-laid-out top-deck screen is your primary objective - the EOS 60D (sans Touch Screen) or the EOS 70D (with it) may be a more suitable choice. And, with the 90D on the horizon, with a rumored 30-32MP sensor, it might be more advisable to wait (but the price will be up there - around $1200-1300.)

Extended thoughts, relating to the switch movement. I have two Rebels - T3, T4i (first w/ Touch-Screen) and they are both easily maneuverable with the right thumb (I'm sure you've noticed that, too, Knox) but with the switch on the left - switching the camera on and off - becomes a two-handed operation. This does - sometimes - slow down your response time, particularly, if you're in the habit of continually turning the camera OFF, immediately after making your exposure, in order to conserve the battery. I must admit it doesn't much matter with the 60D (lacks Touch-Screen) as the battery lasts approximately 1150 shots! But, all the more recent Canon DSLRs will provide much less, as they ALL have Touch-Screens, now - which significantly reduces your total exposures. Again, this is yet another factor you might wish to consider, Knox. I just took out my 60D yesterday, on my walk, and I am much impressed by it, once again (I usually take out the T4i, or another) AND even used it with a NON-IS AF lens (Tokina 16.5-135) and was bowled over - literally - by the images - so much better than I get with EITHER of my Rebels - both of which - have stabilized lenses. But, doing the on/off on the left - IS - just - a little tricky!!!

Knox - just a few thoughts on this. Essentially - ... (show quote)

May I correct you the T6s has 19 focus points all cross type

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

davyboy wrote:

May I correct you the T6s has 19 focus points all cross type

Yes, of course you may, Davy … wasn't actually sure of that, when I wrote it.

Thanks for being on top of it. 19 it is …

My 60D and T4i - only have 9 - and I thought they'd continued that thru the T6s/T6i - but, I'm wrong!

It's a shame those two aren't still around … between the bigger size, and advanced features - those two seem to be a better choice than the current versions (if the bigger form appeals to you - that is!)

Abaaz5063

Ok so I'm just learning photography and was set on the T7 I but after reading these articles should I go with the 77D please help

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

Abaaz5063 wrote:

Ok so I'm just learning photography and was set on the T7 I but after reading these articles should I go with the 77D please help

What's your budget?

The 77D has better erganomics and better performance (focussing and frames per second at least).

(I have used both styles of cameras)

Abaaz5063

Ok Thanks that helps me to look closer at the 77D👍

graybeard

knoxworks wrote:

I have a Rebel XTi and one older Rebel, and I'm re... (show quote)

Awhile back I was shopping around to replace my T3. It came down to an SL2, a T7i, and a 77D. They all had the same processor, pixel count and articulated LCD, all of which I wanted. The 77D had the topside readout of critical settings, and that made me choose it. It turns out I managed to pay less for it than for the T7i !! Had it since Christmas and like it a lot.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Abaaz5063 wrote:

Ok so I'm just learning photography and was set on the T7 I but after reading these articles should I go with the 77D please help

Abaaz - whilst the Canon EOS Rebel T7 is a very capable-entry-level Canon camera in its own right - after all - it does use the latest 24MP sensor - it still uses the older Digic 4 CPU. The newer 77D and the Rebel T7i - use the Digic 7 and the newer SL3 - uses the Digic 8. As Richard has already pointed out, the 77D will perform better and faster than the T7, but at a price that's double that of the T7 (which comes w/ an 18-55.)