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Jul 25, 2019 09:01:42   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
I'm pretty sure that Adams would be unhappy with digital photography as it stands. I've been a fan of his for decades and have read over a hundred texts about/of him; I'm not an authority. I don't like all his work and think his composition could improve with some of his 'shots'... not many, but a few.

He 'leads the pack', by a wide margin, with the precision that goes into his work. His technical expertise is incomparable. There does not appear to be a digital camera on the market (other than satellite imagery) that has the precision of an 8x10 or something of that ilk. I'm a mediocre photographer, but, I try and make up my shortcomings with taking too many pictures, perhaps. Digital photography allows this. The Adams anecdote about having a dozen photographs in a year as being a 'good crop' comes to mind.

There is an elegance in precision and he, in my opinion, is the epitome of this.

Dik

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Jul 25, 2019 09:24:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dick ranez wrote:
Mine was that Adams would quickly embrace the whole process and would have been an early adopter and embraced the finishing options of Photoshop from the beginning. Any opinions?


I agree.

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Jul 25, 2019 09:41:38   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Adams was a darkroom magician, nothing he published is Straight out of the camera, he would have loved the Digital Camera and digital processing.

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Jul 25, 2019 09:49:30   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
rmalarz wrote:
Actually, AA was alive for 9 years after the digital camera was created. Thus, he probably heard something about the beginnings of digital photography.
https://blog.tomski.com/2012/12/30/ansel-adams-on-digital-photography-from-1983/
--Bob

Thanks so much for posting this. Watching just a little of the interview, what struck me is his love for the visual beauty in nature and in ordinary surroundings. It made me think this was the primary motive for his craft.

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Jul 25, 2019 10:21:43   #
Jesu S
 
dick ranez wrote:
I recently jousted with a fellow enthusiast in a conversation about Ansel Adams. His position was that Adams would be very disappointed with today's digital cameras and printing techniques. Mine was that Adams would quickly embrace the whole process and would have been an early adopter and embraced the finishing options of Photoshop from the beginning. Any opinions?


Ansel Adams would be 117 years old, so he would probably have to rely on his grandson to do the PP for him. 😄

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Jul 25, 2019 10:25:18   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
burkphoto wrote:
Since Sir Paul is still recording and touring, I’m sure he is intimately familiar with the potential of digital technologies.

That said, he believes in the power of song writing first. If the message is weak, the medium doesn’t matter.


AMEN BROTHER

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Jul 25, 2019 10:29:03   #
ELNikkor
 
I read an interview with him in which he was lamenting drawing and "X" on some of his negatives because he felt that they would have potential for manipulation electronically that he hadn't been able to apply manually.

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Jul 25, 2019 10:30:46   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams couldn't deliver straight out of camera (SOOC) JPEGs, he is not a photographer worthy of the name Ansel Adams ....


I suspect you really mean SOOC (straight out of the computer)

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Jul 25, 2019 10:31:57   #
Kingman
 
Ansel Adams actually embraced the early days of digital photography in the mid 1970's. Ansel Adams was my mentor in photography and I trained with him in the mid seventies in California (Zone V). I also had my work critiqued by Ansel Adams (what a treat). I met him many times at lectures. I've been to his home in Monterey (Pacific Grove) and had full run of this house and his famous dark room (what a treat, for me it was like coming to mecca...he even feed us and had drinks for us). I also been behind the scenes at the Best Studios (now The Ansel Adams Gallery) in Yosemite Valley. I hired one his aspiring photographers out of the Ansel Adams Galley to shoot our wedding in Yosemite Valley in 1986.

But to the point of whether Ansel would have embrace digital photography, he actually discussed this very point in the mid-seventies in lectures and in our private discussions where he essentially saw digital photography as a future for photography. He said photography would head towards digital and upon his passing in 1984, he willed much of this negatives to the University of Arizona to specifically digitize his negatives for posterity and education. This act was a testimony of his vision towards the future of digital photography.

To this day I have a signed Ansel Adams poster of Half Dome that hangs up high (as it should, in my 18' tall family room) just as Ansel did in this tall and spacious living room.

I have many precious stories about my interactions with Ansel and Alan Ross and others in his circle. What memories I will never forget!

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Jul 25, 2019 10:33:02   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
dick ranez wrote:
I recently jousted with a fellow enthusiast in a conversation about Ansel Adams. His position was that Adams would be very disappointed with today's digital cameras and printing techniques. Mine was that Adams would quickly embrace the whole process and would have been an early adopter and embraced the finishing options of Photoshop from the beginning. Any opinions?


Ansel Adams is a God like figure now so tread softly

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Jul 25, 2019 10:36:01   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This is a popular kind question we oftentimes see on the forum. What would any of the iconic photographer of the past do in the digital age? An easy answer could be "God only knows, who knows?, who cares"? or, alternatively, a whole lot of speculation.

So let's be analytical in this case. Put on your historical detective hats, do a little research and make some reasonable deductions and try to reach a conclusion.

Perhaps I have a slight advantage. In that, I read ALL of Ansel Adams books- the older and later editions and did attend ONE of his workshops. I am also aware of his history and with the f/64 Group and his aversion to impressionistic styles of photography. This is not to say I hobnobbed with Mr. Adams, or any other of the iconic or prominent photographer I may have crossed paths with, studied under or attended classes with. In the workshop, however, I did get some first-hand insight in Mr.Adams incredible degree of expertise and craftsmanship and phenomenal teaching abilities and personality. I did not take in the workshop to become a great landscape photographer but actually to learn and apply the Zone System and related darkroom technique to my commercial photography- to gain fill contrast and range control.

So...no let's examine the evidence. Ansel Adams was the grandmaster of precise tonal control so I can speculate that all of the capabilities and potential of digital post-processing would have been right up his alley.

Although Adams was especially noted for his usage of large-format equipment- view and field cameras, he also did also use medium and miniature format cameras in some of his work. I, therefore, deduce that he had no aversion to various improvements, changes and development in the photographic technologies as they presented themselves. There were photographers at the workshop that inquired about use of roll film in the zone system and the only limitation Adams pointed out was no being able to individually expose and process each frame as per the Zone System- the entire roll would have to be treated the same way in processing.

The only aspect of post-processing that Adams would probably discard is the extreme application of special effects- the same as he opposed in film work. Adding textures, creating line-dropouts, simulating cross-processing, etc. Anyone who studied Adam's history knows of his philosophical differences with the likes of William Mortensen- and that's putting it mildly!

My educated guess is that Ansel Adam would completely embrace digital imaging and all current and future technological progressions.

I would add that the medium- film or digital, has very little to do with a photographers artistry, perception of light, aptness for composition, degree of craftsmanship and work ethic. Mr. Adams would have done very well in our current technologies. My guess is the only problem that would cause him to revert to film and refuse to transition into digital photography is if he determined that he would not attain the level of quality that he was accustomed to. Watching him work in his darkroom with an 8x10 enlarger, rolling on tracks and projecting the image on a wall to make photomurals and literally "dancing" in the light path to dodge and burn the image, I can assure you that his mastery of our current technologies would be a "piece of cake" for him!

Of course, it is difficult if not impossible to get into all of our favorite iconic photographer's heads and fully understand what motivated them, or what they would do in any hypothetical situation. Perhaps we "read more into" the work or philosophy of our individual heroes or for that matter. those of the photographers we are not fans of. All I can offer is the history and the evidence and each of us needs to come to our own conclusions.

I was fortunate enough tho have studied photography and start my professional career in New York City. I was able to access lectures, classes, and seminars with a few of the iconic photographers or I made some contact with them at various trade shows and conventions. Again, most of them were no my "buddies" nor did I socialize with any of them to any great extent. I continually studied under a very few. I'll drop a few names; Peter Gowland, Richard Avadon, Milton Green, Phillippe Hallman, Joseph Schneider, David Douglas Duncan, Yosef Karsh, and there was a host of others that are well known in the portrait, commercial and wedding industries. There was a common denominator that seems to apply to all of them. They were straightforward, most were plain talkers, down to earth, informative and inspiring and most adhered to an elegant and surprisingly degree of simplicity in their work and their teachings.
This is a popular kind question we oftentimes see ... (show quote)


Fascinating. Thanks for that perspective.

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Jul 25, 2019 12:02:19   #
TGanner Loc: Haines, Alaska
 
Ansel Adams worked closely with Lands in the development of the Polaroid camera. He loved the ability of the Polaroid to offer instant feedback to his workshop students in terms of composition and such.

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Jul 25, 2019 12:09:50   #
leenso52
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams couldn't deliver straight out of camera (SOOC) JPEGs, he is not a photographer worthy of the name Ansel Adams ....


But someone just said he was a master in the dark room...some manipulation must have occured!

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Jul 25, 2019 12:30:55   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
TGanner wrote:
Ansel Adams worked closely with Lands in the development of the Polaroid camera. He loved the ability of the Polaroid to offer instant feedback to his workshop students in terms of composition and such.


Not quite correct. He worked closely with Polaroid to develop the Type 55 Polaroid film, which when used in a 4x5 field camera gave the user a postive print AND a reproducable negative from the same film pack. Having an instant print in the field as a reference of a scene to go with a true negative to take to the darkroom was priceless at the time.

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Jul 25, 2019 12:34:11   #
TGanner Loc: Haines, Alaska
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Not quite correct. He worked closely with Polaroid to develop the Type 55 Polaroid film, which when used in a 4x5 field camera gave the user a postive print AND a reproducable negative from the same film pack. Having an instant print in the field as a reference of a scene to go with a true negative to take to the darkroom was priceless at the time.


Great clarification, thank you. I read about his work with Lands in his autobiography. I like to joke he was a pretty good photographer, but a really GREAT writer. Well worth the read.

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