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Jul 4, 2019 10:16:53   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Pumble wrote:
I have a WD My Cloud box. You can get them with various sizes. Although this is a bit more expensive than the cheap USB drives today, consider the benefits.

1. It is a raid 0 array, meaning it automatically makes a copy of anything you put on it. No more worrying about when the last time you duplicated, what photos got edited, added, what ones do you want to protect from overwrite, etc. There are two drives in the bay and their firmware takes care of the duplication. If you want a 4TB solution, the box comes with qty 2 - 4TB drives. You save a file and in the background and it's copied to the other drive in real time

2. It is network attached storage (NAS), meaning you don't have to tether it to your computer's USB and no worries about multiple computers.

3. It has a cloud feature whereby you can get your files from anywhere without a $$ subscription, it's your drive and your stuff. It has as much security as any other internet based source. It goes through mycloud.com to setup the internet path.

4. It has power settings that allow you to put it to sleep on the overnight or when you're not going to be using it.

5. It's performance is the same as if you had a file server in your own home or office. This was my biggest concern, but I will say it is as fast as the USB drive route. I use Wifi into my 1gb switch. If you are wired into your network, its even faster.

6. You can pick the size.

Hopefully this link works - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1224323-REG/wd_wdbvbz0080jch_nesn_8tb_my_cloud_ex2.html

Just my thoughts, I used to do the USB drive thing and got so tired of managing it. Then one of the drives quit, and although I had the backup that was only 3-4 weeks out of date, it made me realize how vulnerable this method is. I love the simplicity of how this personal cloud works.

Dave
I have a WD My Cloud box. You can get them with v... (show quote)


Just two comments: it’s a RAID 1 (simple mirroring), and make sure to have a 3rd off-site disaster recovery copy. We’ve had two cases reported on UHH in as many weeks where corrupted data on the primary drive was mirrored to the secondary drive, making both copies unusable. If you’re running Windows and using the NTFS file system, read up on VSS (volume shadow copy service) - it will allow you to take “snapshots” of you file system and revert to a previous point in time in case of corruption. Some NAS file systems already incorporate this potentially valuable feature.

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Jul 4, 2019 11:15:29   #
Pumble
 
GENorkus wrote:
This is a fine way to do things except for one side thought, fire destruction.

Not that it happens too often but one never knows.


I don't disagree, but your USB drive will succumb to the same fire, destruction. It depends on the $$ / risk profile you want to take. I personally don't need the protection of a data center. I suspect its the same for those backing up to a USB drive. This is an intermediate solution with a lot of benefits. I can always make a bi-annual or monthly copy of my cloud and stick it in a safe deposit box, but unreasonable thoughts of impending doom can really overshadow the real underlying issue, how to protect data from the electronics, not force majeure (as they are called) events.

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Jul 4, 2019 11:17:36   #
CurleyB Loc: MAITLAND FL
 
I have succumbed to using cloud storage and have been happily surprised about its ease and many uses. I use Google but am sure many of the other services are equally effective. Too many advantages to mention. If concerned about large file download time, the file initially loads on the computer you are using, then migrates to the cloud. Once downloaded you have your file plus a backup. If using multiple computers, that file downloads to each authorized computer for instant use.

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Jul 4, 2019 11:49:43   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I've used SyncToy with good results. It's free of charge, too.
bsprague wrote:
Consider software like GoodSync or SyncToy. Once you have a copy, they keep track of additional changes as you go forward.

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Jul 4, 2019 11:58:02   #
IzzyKap Loc: Rockville, MD
 
Pumble wrote:
I have a WD My Cloud box. You can get them with various sizes. Although this is a bit more expensive than the cheap USB drives today, consider the benefits.

1. It is a raid 0 array, meaning it automatically makes a copy of anything you put on it. No more worrying about when the last time you duplicated, what photos got edited, added, what ones do you want to protect from overwrite, etc. There are two drives in the bay and their firmware takes care of the duplication. If you want a 4TB solution, the box comes with qty 2 - 4TB drives. You save a file and in the background it's copied to the other drive in real time

2. It is network attached storage (NAS), meaning you don't have to tether it to your computer's USB and no worries about multiple computers.

3. It has a cloud feature whereby you can get your files from anywhere without a $$ subscription, (including your phone or tablet, say you want to show a picture you don't have on your mobile device) it's your drive and your stuff. It has as much security as any other internet based source. It goes through mycloud.com to setup the internet path.

4. It has power settings that allow you to put it to sleep on the overnight or when you're not going to be using it.

5. It's performance is the same as if you had a file server in your own home or office. This was my biggest concern, but I will say it is as fast as the USB drive route. I use Wifi into my 1gb switch. If you are wired into your network, its even faster.

6. You can pick the size.

Hopefully this link works - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1224323-REG/wd_wdbvbz0080jch_nesn_8tb_my_cloud_ex2.html

Just my thoughts, I used to do the USB drive thing and got so tired of managing it. Then one of the drives quit, and although I had the backup that was only 3-4 weeks out of date, it made me realize how vulnerable this method is. I love the simplicity of how this personal cloud works.

Dave
I have a WD My Cloud box. You can get them with v... (show quote)


I was considering that option but was scarred off by some serious negative reviews on B&H website.

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Jul 4, 2019 12:27:30   #
was_a_guru
 
I use: Sabrent USB 3.0 to SATA I/II/III Dual Bay External Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5 or 3.5in HDD, SSD with Hard Drive Duplicator/Cloner Function [10TB Support] (EC-HD2B) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0759567JT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_nAIhDbDASZ4EB

I have my master drive in bay one (an internal 1 TB SSD), and my backup drive in bay two (an identical 1TB SSD).

I use an app “Beyond Compare” after I’ve made any changes to the master drive to compare and backup to the backup drive.

It has worked really swell for me.

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Jul 4, 2019 12:28:40   #
Pumble
 
IzzyKap wrote:
I was considering that option but was scarred off by some serious negative reviews on B&H website.


I saw them but always take them with a grain of salt. WD makes a good product and I'm very happy with it, and am using it with a Win 7 and Win 10 computer and save my common files on it (photos, music and work). That you can just push a button and change the drives hot swap (should they fail or you want to increase the size) is a great thing. Keep in mind you likely have a WD drive in a computer you've used. Like I said, if you want data center protection, get your credit card out every month...

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Jul 4, 2019 12:30:54   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Riverrune wrote:
I keep my images on an external hard drive and need to back it up to another external hard drive. What would be the best way to do this? I use both an Apple I Mac and a MacBook Pro laptop, with Adobe Lightroom Classic. Thanks!


Nothing simpler than just connecting both drive to computer and copying. Check everything on the copy drive to confirm copying went well.

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Jul 4, 2019 13:52:55   #
Dave H2
 
An external old style spinning hard drive is the simplest, and cheapest forever backup. You don't need speed and it is almost impossible to erase magnetic media today. If it is not spinning, the failure rate is almost nil. I keep my extras in a safe plus online in Idrive. The only long term risk is the hard drive interface which changes every so often as technology changes. For that problem you can get a really cheap laptop, (even used) and store it with the drive, or use the laptop drive.
Ten years from now, you probably will find that the drive interface is unavailable. Prior to retiring, I worked in the data storage field and we often had customers who had archival data that was extremely hard to access.
Just some thoughts.
Dave

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Jul 4, 2019 13:56:33   #
lschiz Loc: Elgin, IL
 
Riverrune wrote:
I keep my images on an external hard drive and need to back it up to another external hard drive. What would be the best way to do this? I use both an Apple I Mac and a MacBook Pro laptop, with Adobe Lightroom Classic. Thanks!


On a good site like this we get so many good ideas and feedback. My preference is a CRU-Inc.com RAID1 back up as a working Drive. Using a RAID1 working drive until I backed that up, I have everything in a sense backed up between the two drives. I did have at one time a dry fail in the RSID1 box.
plugged in the new one it mirrored everything back hundred percent recovery. Then I back up to a second single drive and I use a program called Delta Walker by Deltopia. it’s a great utility for backing up programs making copies checking confirming files to any level of detail that you want down to bit by bit. But I do bit by bit and that guarantees and error free exact back up copy to another drive.
Out of fear of the inevitable I actually back up to a 3rd Drive and the third one I keep that work with me so that it’s not in the same house same building.

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Jul 4, 2019 14:26:14   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
My backup method involves Synology NAS servers and off-site backup as well. Best of luck.

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Jul 4, 2019 14:41:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Two links worth reading on protecting against a corrupted file system that a mirrored backup copy won’t save you from:

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/protect-your-data-files-with-windows-10s-enhanced-file-history-tool/

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/restoring-files-from-windows-10s-file-history/

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Jul 4, 2019 14:44:15   #
Bill P
 
If you never want to risk losing data, get an M Disk compatible DVD

Where the devil do you find M Discs? Got a burner several year ago, and couldn't find the blanks.

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Jul 4, 2019 15:19:05   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
I have several external hard drives connected to my Mac Mini. One is dedicated to photo files that are in the Lightroom catalog. Every night Carbon Copy Cloner copies (or updates - I don't remember which, as it just runs) the image files to a second hard drive. This protects against one of the drives failing mechanically, but both remain at (some) risk of system corruption/malware, etc., as well as house destruction.

So I periodically make another copy of the image files to a Western Digital Passport drive - it's a USB-powered spinning disk, and about the size of a deck of cards. That one lives on another floor at the other end of the house, disconnected from any computer or the internet. It remains at risk of house fires and tornadoes, but if the whole house and all the contents disappear in a disaster I'll have bigger things to worry about than image files. (Not to mention the 30+ years of negatives from before I went digital, for which I have not yet found a backup system.)

Since my mother moved out of her house I no longer have a convenient off-site storage location. I probably could use the cloud, but just haven't got around to checking that out in detail.

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Jul 4, 2019 16:01:02   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I suggest just plugging in a second drive, internal or external, and in addition using a cloud service.

I use a program called SyncBack which will do both the initial copy as well as continue to keep either "backed up" or "syncronized" on a scheduled basis.

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