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Jun 28, 2019 17:48:14   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
TonyP wrote:
Thanks for your comment on my advice CaptainC.
I dont think its a horrible idea at all. One doesnt need a university degree to appreciate a good photograph (or any art form for that matter) and customers that buy photos probably dont belong to the PPA.
I suggested the OP watch for their reaction. Even a friend who is going to lie to you (not a very good friend in my opinion) will find it difficult to hide an honest reaction to something they really like and a good friend will tell you what they dont like.
Well mine do anyway.

Ive been retired for over 20 years now after a reasonably successful career as a photographer. I was encouraged by friends and family to pursue the life in my late teens so applied for a job starting out as a darkroom hack before being 'allowed' to venture out as a backup photographer. After a few years learning the trade I went out by myself, struggled for a year or three, but managed to support a growing family. My early customers were many of those same friends and family that had encouraged me and the business grew from a spare bedroom to a studio.
After 10 years I sold my business to another established photographer and my work life changed direction.

Worked for me. Might depend on his friends I guess, but it might work for the Op.
Today I struggle in the digital age but enjoy my amateur status.
Thanks for your comment on my advice CaptainC. br... (show quote)


OK, But friends who have no photographic training are unqualified and will praise mediocre work to make the friend feel good.
I see it all the time. If it works for you, fine, but I still think it is the wrong approach. Get critique from people who actually KNOW what they are talking about. Friends and family are not it.

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Jun 28, 2019 17:58:18   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
See it all the time on Facebook... people loving and praising shots that are terrible...

CaptainC wrote:
OK, But friends who have no photographic training are unqualified and will praise mediocre work to make the friend feel good.
I see it all the time. If it works for you, fine, but I still think it is the wrong approach. Get critique from people who actually KNOW what they are talking about. Friends and family are not it.

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Jun 28, 2019 18:26:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The only sure way to get paid in photography is to sell your equipment ...

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Jun 28, 2019 19:08:07   #
khorinek
 
If you have the desire, go for it. It's better to try and fail than to not try at all and you will always wonder if you could have made it work. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I've always had a passion for photography but never ventured beyond amateur status until a fellow photographer encouraged me to take that next step. I started freelancing and asking around if anybody wanted their events captured in photos. You would be surprised how many organizations never thought about having their events photographed until I volunteered to photograph an event for free. It caught on and eventually other organizations saw the photos and started asking me to photograph their events. That led to a full time photography career and eventually shooting for the local newspaper and TV. If you don't try it you will never know.

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Jun 28, 2019 20:00:07   #
qball
 
Yes the course I took covered alot of business suggestions and much more. I do not so much want a full time photo career but rather a way to support my gas habit. I have shot some events for satisfied customers but would rather find a way to sell art prints. I have been the "official church photographer" for years.

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Jun 29, 2019 06:40:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
qball wrote:
okay I have spent a few years learning photography, I took a professional photography course. I have taken thousands and thousands of photographs. I have taken them all in raw and edited them.
So the big question is now how do I make money without being a wedding photographer or newspaper. I ask because I am ready to retire and persue this profesionally without a income to fall back on.


Business plan, marketing plan, communication skills, people and sales skills - and some reasonable expectations. It doesn't help if you can manage a camera and take halfway decent pictures. The gist is that taking amazing pictures is not going to ensure success, but the other skills will give you a fighting chance. Business plan will create a set of goals and a road map for your business. It will put your expectations into perspective. Marketing plan will provide the reality check - what is it that will sell in my demographic, how much money is there, who I am competing against, and what I can do to maximize my potential.

I know many mediocre photographers that are sucessful, and many more exceptionally good photographers that rely on their day jobs to pay the bills.

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Jul 1, 2019 16:26:37   #
The Woodpecker
 
Really?! No one - save two people - had anything helpful or positive to say to that man. Y'all are the ones who should quit the game.

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Jul 1, 2019 17:25:45   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Reality is a hard teacher... Look at the numbers for startup businesses that last 6 months, 1 year, 5 years and 10 years. I don’t think there is anyone rooting against him, but it is better to go in informed and eyes wide open than full of dreams of instant success and immediate profits. That is why I said work maybe 20 hours a week at $15 an hour and make some money. That still leaves one 148 hours a week to pursue photography or photography business without dipping into retirement income. Just the way I see it.

The Woodpecker wrote:
Really?! No one - save two people - had anything helpful or positive to say to that man. Y'all are the ones who should quit the game.

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Jul 1, 2019 18:47:22   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
Consider real estate and architectural photography. Agents and architects pay for really good photos and are a continuing source of revenue.

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Jul 1, 2019 19:53:09   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Usually they want 360 video today too. My buddy just sold his place recently...

mallen1330 wrote:
Consider real estate and architectural photography. Agents and architects pay for really good photos and are a continuing source of revenue.

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Jul 1, 2019 21:39:46   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Usually they want 360 video today too. My buddy just sold his place recently...

Actually, virtual reality walk-through technology and 360 degree headache inducing views are falling out of style in many markets.

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Jul 1, 2019 22:43:19   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I can believe that...never cared for them myself. Too much distortion usually for my taste.

mallen1330 wrote:
Actually, virtual reality walk-through technology and 360 degree headache inducing views are falling out of style in many markets.

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Jul 6, 2019 08:10:06   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
A PR person claiming to work for an "influencer" with 55,000 social media followers got in touch with a small wedding photography company asking for a freebie.
They expected their client to receive a package worth at least $5,000 in exchange for a few posts on Instagram.
Betrothed & Co is run by Frankie Lowe and Laura Dunning, who weren't impressed with the offer. They emailed back saying they don't tend to make such arrangements, especially with an influencer with such a small following.
The PR person, named Melissa, responded by calling them "unprofessional" and "abusive," and saying working with the influencer would have been a "great opportunity" to network with "some celebrities who will be making TV appearances later in the year."

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