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Sep 4, 2012 11:49:22   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
RixPix wrote:
Within the past two weeks more than 50 whales have beached themselves. Should we be worried about the oceans? What does this signify?

At first I thought the whales that beached themselves along Florida's gulf coast were having issues with the water in the gulf due to the oil spill and subsequent dumping of dispersal chemicals. But now, Scotland is reporting that a dozen whales have beached themselves on their shores.


We should be concerned about it and it should be monitored. Historical records should be checked as I think this has been going on forever. It may be part of a natural balancing within the enviroment.

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Sep 4, 2012 12:04:57   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Maybe they think its December 21, 2012 when the world tilts 90 degrees so the oceans become dry land and dry land becomes oceans. Whales probably aren't very good at reading Mayan calendars and some are a little too early.

Can't you people have fun in Chit-Chat once in a while instead of ripping each other's asses all the time?

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Sep 4, 2012 12:16:52   #
CanonJC
 
Bmac wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Within the past two weeks more than 50 whales have beached themselves. Should we be worried about the oceans? What does this signify?

At first I thought the whales that beached themselves along Florida's gulf coast were having issues with the water in the gulf due to the oil spill and subsequent dumping of dispersal chemicals. But now, Scotland is reporting that a dozen whales have beached themselves on their shores.


No, we shouldn't be worried about the oceans due to beached whales and it dosen't signify anything except that whales do beach themselves for a variety of possible reasons. Pilot whales are especially known for their strandings. 8-)
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Concur

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Sep 4, 2012 12:21:10   #
CanonJC
 
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
No, we shouldn't be worried about the oceans due to beached whales and it dosen't signify anything except that whales do beach themselves for a variety of possible reasons. Pilot whales are especially known for their strandings. 8-)


And this is from a qualified marine biologist, correct? If not, can you give us some scientific journals that back up your assertion?


If he had specified that he only wished responses from qualified marine biologists I would not have given my opinion. What specific assertions do you doubt? Are you a qualified marine biologist? 8-)
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I make no pretension at any knowledge of this subject. I am by nature skeptical of "opinions". You made specific assertions which implied specialized knowledge as an expert. Before I accept your assertions as fact, it's important to know where your knowledge of the topic comes from. Too many people spout off on things without being able to back up their opinions, if that's what you were offering.
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Respectful your concerning. Really no necessary to worry for now therefore there have no alert alarm from oceanology reseachers yet. These situations are not unusually happened. Please, believe Bmac and others.

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Sep 4, 2012 14:17:03   #
Photoquilter Loc: Virginia
 
tschmath wrote:
RTR wrote:
"Mass strandings of dolphins, whales, and other marine mammals date back to the time of Aristotle" http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-do-whales-beach-themselves


Finally!!! Thank you for a reliable source. Now I know that it ISN'T a big deal. Thanks for putting that one to rest.


The article said that strandings have been documented far back, but also said there is ongoing research to see if something present-day is causing the number of strandings to increase. The article did not dismiss such concerns. It included red tide and sonar interference, among other possibilites, as things they were studying. Alarmed? Maybe that is too strong a description, but certainly there are many researchers who are looking into the matter.

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Sep 4, 2012 15:15:47   #
cudakite Loc: San Antonio
 
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
No, we shouldn't be worried about the oceans due to beached whales and it dosen't signify anything except that whales do beach themselves for a variety of possible reasons. Pilot whales are especially known for their strandings. 8-)


And this is from a qualified marine biologist, correct? If not, can you give us some scientific journals that back up your assertion?


If he had specified that he only wished responses from qualified marine biologists I would not have given my opinion. What specific assertions do you doubt? Are you a qualified marine biologist? 8-)
quote=tschmath quote=Bmac No, we shouldn't be wo... (show quote)


I make no pretension at any knowledge of this subject. I am by nature skeptical of "opinions". You made specific assertions which implied specialized knowledge as an expert. Before I accept your assertions as fact, it's important to know where your knowledge of the topic comes from. Too many people spout off on things without being able to back up their opinions, if that's what you were offering.
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DUDE!! Are you related to ole sarge or is this really ole sarge?? lol

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Sep 4, 2012 20:32:38   #
icanimagine Loc: Sacramento, Ca
 
Stupid people have opinions also. For instance, imho I think you all need to relax. Believe it our not, ( I don't need journals to know this); The gulf oil spill did have and will have devastating effects for years to come.

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Sep 4, 2012 21:47:41   #
handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut
 
Whale use whale song as well as clicking noises to identify and locate other whales in their pod as well as locating other pods in the area. It is also being studied if they use sonar echolocation to locate a food source and pinpoint it's location before they dive. May they also use it to determine the depth of the water? If the bottom is very sandy or silted they may not get the correct return echo. if it does not come back properly if at all giving the whale the impression that the bottom is so far down the signal is lost where it is only inches below. The Air Force was toying with this and uses a type for the Stealth Bomber.

I found this link for the sake of discussion: http://www.science20.com/squid_day/do_sperm_whales_use_sonar_stun_giant_squid

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Sep 4, 2012 22:48:18   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
No, we shouldn't be worried about the oceans due to beached whales and it dosen't signify anything except that whales do beach themselves for a variety of possible reasons. Pilot whales are especially known for their strandings. 8-)


And this is from a qualified marine biologist, correct? If not, can you give us some scientific journals that back up your assertion?


If he had specified that he only wished responses from qualified marine biologists I would not have given my opinion. What specific assertions do you doubt? Are you a qualified marine biologist? 8-)
quote=tschmath quote=Bmac No, we shouldn't be wo... (show quote)


I make no pretension at any knowledge of this subject. I am by nature skeptical of "opinions". You made specific assertions which implied specialized knowledge as an expert. Before I accept your assertions as fact, it's important to know where your knowledge of the topic comes from. Too many people spout off on things without being able to back up their opinions, if that's what you were offering.
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Guys.....quit squabling and tearing each other apart. The US NAVY uses high powered side scan sonar and this can effect both whales and dolphins. It somehow damages the inner ear and causes then to beach themselves to avoid the harsh sound and pain. There have been attempts by animal rights organizations and the SIERRA CLUB to cease and desist the NAVY from using this form of sonar to map huge areas of ocean or search for hidden subs, but all attempts have failed to have any serious consideration by the military officials. They consider this loss of oceanic mammals as a consiquence that can not be avoided in the name of national security. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN IF YOU WANT TO RESOLVE THIS MURDER OF OCEANIC MAMMALS.
There is also a VIRUS that effects ocean mammals that causes them to go crazy and beach themselves, but to date no antidote or antiviral agent has been discovered to control this disease. RED TIDE is another way that many oceanic mammals can get bewilderred or sick and die.
I suspect that this recent incident was caused by side scan sonar though and not any red tide since that can be seen from orbitting weather satelites and none have been reported near Florida or Scotland lately. With the advent of GLOBAL WARMING and warmer oceans though, the incidence of red tide may increase in the future.
And to make my opinion here more plausible, I did oceanographic research for Columbia University for 10 years and have seen these disasters from the use of sonar and the effects of red tide.

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Sep 5, 2012 07:55:30   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
RixPix wrote:
Within the past two weeks more than 50 whales have beached themselves. Should we be worried about the oceans? What does this signify?


No...this has been happening since the dawn of time.................

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Sep 5, 2012 08:25:30   #
OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee
 
The climate has been changing since the creation of the earth (even before man was here to cause trouble). Look at the ice ages. I for one am glad it warmed up a little since then.
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
But, let's keep on topic shall we. I'm curious about your opinion, even though I realize you are also not a qualified marine biologist, and this is not a court of law. So, do you think we should be worried about our oceans due to the recent whale beachings and do you think it signifies anything? Oh, and again, which "specific" assertions do you doubt?


I don't know the answer, and was unaware this was even a possible issue until this thread. But you summarily dismissed the question as if the answer were a foregone conclusion. You may be perfectly right in your assertion, but I'd like to see what readings influenced your opinion. There are too many climate change doubters out there for me to just dismiss a possible problem like this with unsubstantiated opinion dressed as fact.
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Sep 5, 2012 14:57:06   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
Bmac wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Bmac wrote:
No, we shouldn't be worried about the oceans due to beached whales and it dosen't signify anything except that whales do beach themselves for a variety of possible reasons. Pilot whales are especially known for their strandings. 8-)


And this is from a qualified marine biologist, correct? If not, can you give us some scientific journals that back up your assertion?


If he had specified that he only wished responses from qualified marine biologists I would not have given my opinion. What specific assertions do you doubt? Are you a qualified marine biologist? 8-)
quote=tschmath quote=Bmac No, we shouldn't be wo... (show quote)


I make no pretension at any knowledge of this subject. I am by nature skeptical of "opinions". You made specific assertions which implied specialized knowledge as an expert. Before I accept your assertions as fact, it's important to know where your knowledge of the topic comes from. Too many people spout off on things without being able to back up their opinions, if that's what you were offering.
quote=Bmac quote=tschmath quote=Bmac No, we sho... (show quote)


My knowledge on whale strandings comes from what I have read. What proportion of the authors were qualifed marine biologists I do not know. My opinion is based on the knowledge based on what I have read. I hope this helps with your skepticism. Interestingly, I have asked you on occassion to give sources for some of the political "facts" you like to spout off. At times your response has been to ignore my question. That's fine, I don't care, but rather ironic.

But, let's keep on topic shall we. I'm curious about your opinion, even though I realize you are also not a qualified marine biologist, and this is not a court of law. So, do you think we should be worried about our oceans due to the recent whale beachings and do you think it signifies anything? Oh, and again, which "specific" assertions do you doubt?
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I'm no marine biologist either. Wikipedia article says about 2,000 beachings take place each year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beached_whale
Records of such abound throughout history. Proposed reasons are as numerous as the beachings.

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