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Sep 4, 2012 10:58:31   #
William Bennett Loc: Il
 
Wahank
I tryed to download CHDK but enternet explorer wood not let me not no aol eather ?# 2 were is the hot show just got the sx40 Fri.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:00:47   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
William Bennett wrote:
Wahank
I tryed to download CHDK but enternet explorer wood not let me not no aol eather ?# 2 were is the hot show just got the sx40 Fri.


I have never tried to get the CHDK, but have read quite a bit on it. I would just Google "CHDK" and then download their installation instructions and follow them. It is not a simple procedure, but when following the instructions should not give a problem.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:02:26   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Donwitz wrote:
I did a quick internet search, and the Canon wins. See

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-SX40-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-FZ200

AND, its cheaper!


I don't see any way to call the Canon a winner. I'm not saying it's a loser but it doesn't dominate the comparison at all. The author of that article is clearly biased toward Canon. The Canon seems to have better movie features (Whoopty-doo. Personally I don't care because I use a still camera for stills and that's a still camera's main function), has four supposed advantages which are even stated as being the same or almost the same so they're not really advantages at all. It doesn't shoot RAW and only features a longer zoom and a lower price. That's it - longer zoom and currently lower price. Big deal.

The Panasonic has a very definite advantage with constant f/2.8 across the zoom range. I also really enjoy Leica glass although the Canon glass is just fine. Those are BIG advantages when doing a side by side comparision - not something trivial to pass over in a list or not mention at all. The two cameras even use completely different sensors that can't be compared with a simple MP number - which again were virtually identical numbers anyway.

That review is lame and just a spec comparison that provides absolutely nothing of value to shop with. It's very possible the author never touched either camera and did the article from spec sheets on company websites. I haven't seen a real hands-on reviews of the Panasonic yet except reviewers fondling a prototype at an electronics show. When extensive side-by-side reviews are available then we can start to make real assessments.

The SX-40 also is now at a street price that is much lower because it's not a new model. Its retail is higher than it's current price. The $599 retail of the Panasonic will come down after it's been out for a while, I suspect to around $425 street price or so. If the FZ-200 is as good or better than the FZ-150 I'd say the FZ-200 will be a clear winner over the Canon SX-40 for a while and Canon will come up with an SX-50 quickly to be a direct competition - and it will also start out at around $599 retail.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:04:09   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Wahawk wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
After reading a bunch of different reviews, personal experiences, etc with a number of different cameras, I decided that "snapsort" comparisons are really not relevant. DPreview is much better, plus the opinions and examples here on the HOG mean a lot more to me!!
Here is a set of hand-held examples of the SX40 at full wide-angle, full OPTICAL zoom and then full DIGITAL zoom. The water tower was 1-1/2 miles from where I was standing with my back against the side of a house for the only support.
Perfect! That's a nice set of photos. I knew i must have been doing something wrong.

All were resized for faster upload.
After reading a bunch of different reviews, person... (show quote)
quote=Wahawk After reading a bunch of different r... (show quote)


Hey wait a minute, you lost me when you say full digital zoom. I under stand 140x but now you say full digital zoom, you lost me. Please provide me the insight on this. I see the pictures of the water tower at full zoom and then you go to full digital zoom. I'm not the quickest draw in the middle west when it comes to camera issues.
quote=tdklex quote=Wahawk After reading a bunch ... (show quote)


Full "optical" zoom just means at the 'limit' of the optical range, and then it goes into the digital range and the "Full" digital is the 'limit' or MAXimum zoom in digital. The range from 1x thru 35x is accomplished by the OPTICAL capabilities of the lens, then everything from 35x thru 140x is using the "digital" zoom.
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=tdklex quote=Wahawk... (show quote)


Thanks, Sometimes when I zoom out to the max digital zoom it focuses back to the 35x zoom. What am I doing wrong? Maybe I have a setting on that I shouldn't have. I gues i should say it hunts to focus.
quote=Wahawk quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=tdklex... (show quote)


You are probably bumping the button that Sarge doesn't like on the SX40! It is the top button beside the thumb rest, if you push it, it 'pulls' the zoom back for focus and tracking purposes and then goes back when released! I was frustrated by that also until I realized what I was bumping, and most times didn't hardly feel the button because it doesn't take a lot of pressure to activate it.
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=Wahawk quote=Hunter... (show quote)


Your probably right.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:04:31   #
William Bennett Loc: Il
 
I am always hitting the IOS with my hand

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Sep 4, 2012 11:04:41   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
marcomarks wrote:
Donwitz wrote:
I did a quick internet search, and the Canon wins. See

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-SX40-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-FZ200

AND, its cheaper!


I don't see any way to call the Canon a winner. I'm not saying it's a loser but it doesn't dominate the comparison at all. The author of that article is clearly biased toward Canon. The Canon seems to have better movie features (Whoopty-doo. Personally I don't care because I use a still camera for stills and that's a still camera's main function), has four supposed advantages which are even stated as being the same or almost the same so they're not really advantages at all. It doesn't shoot RAW and only features a longer zoom and a lower price. That's it - longer zoom and currently lower price. Big deal.

The Panasonic has a very definite advantage with constant f/2.8 across the zoom range. I also really enjoy Leica glass although the Canon glass is just fine. Those are BIG advantages when doing a side by side comparision - not something trivial to pass over in a list or not mention at all. The two cameras even use completely different sensors that can't be compared with a simple MP number - which again were virtually identical numbers anyway.

That review is lame and just a spec comparison that provides absolutely nothing of value to shop with. It's very possible the author never touched either camera and did the article from spec sheets on company websites. I haven't seen a real hands-on reviews of the Panasonic yet except reviewers fondling a prototype at an electronics show. When extensive side-by-side reviews with examples of output are available then we can start to make real assessments.

The SX-40 also is now at a street price that is much lower because it's not a new model. Its retail is higher than it's current price. The $599 retail of the Panasonic will come down after it's been out for a while, I suspect to around $425 street price or so. Thus one more of the two Canon supposed advantages is no longer valid.

If the FZ-200 is as good or better than the FZ-150 I'd say the FZ-200 will be a clear winner over the Canon SX-40 for a while and Canon will come up with an SX-50 quickly to be a direct competition - and it will also start out at around $599 retail.
quote=Donwitz I did a quick internet search, and ... (show quote)

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Sep 4, 2012 11:07:07   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
sarge69 wrote:
I have the SX40HS and it is great. Except for the annoying buttons too near the thumb rest.

Sarge69


I'm trying to send a pic I took with the SX40, will keep trying.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:17:59   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
I have the SX40HS and it is great. Except for the annoying buttons too near the thumb rest.

Sarge69


I'm trying to send a pic I took with the SX40, will keep trying.


Be patient, and do not hit the PREVIEW because that deletes the attachments. Sometimes it takes quite a while to upload a full-res photo to UHH. I have had it take several minutes when my connection was slow.



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Sep 4, 2012 11:19:42   #
Elenaluna Loc: Georgia
 
Wahawk wrote:
tdklex wrote:
User-P510 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
isn't it true that with the FZ 200 you can double the max zoom to 1200, making it longer than the 840 of the SX 40?


Optical Zoom - Canon wins!....Digital Zoom - Canon wins!

FZ200=48X Max Zoom v SX40=140x Max Zoom


Maybe i'm doing something wrong, o.k ? So i'm looking at all the photos i've seen with the SX 40 as well as the video. The shots i've seen with the zoom all the way out are incredible.

I mean, it looks like you can get a close up from at least 12-1500 feet and still be sharp. Trouble is, when i test one at the store, it dosen't even come close.

Is it because it's not set to Digital Zoom, which the clerk said it was, or is it because i only have so much room to zoom in the store? I must say, i'm a little confused.

Thanks for any help.
Tom
quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn't it true that... (show quote)


Digital zoom probably turned off. When in Auto Mode, look at the top of the LCD while zooming. Does it have a little white line about 2/3 of the way from left to right? If it does not have that the digital is not active. Also when zooming with Digital Zoom activated, there will be a 'stop' at the end of the optical zoom so you have to release the zoom lever and start it again to go into the digital zoom range. Then be sure to hold it REAL STEADY because it will be difficult to really hold steady!!
quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn'... (show quote)


I have just bought the SX40 and absolutely love it. However, I am having trouble with the digital zoom setting. When I go under "Menu", the Digital Zoom choice says "off" and it is faded out so I can't turn it on. The same thing is true with Program, Shutter Speed, Aperture and Manual. Also, when I go to Auto as suggested above and zoom, there IS the white line at the top as described above, which would seem to indicate that the digital zoom is activted (as per the above paragraph) But it doesn't stop and start again to zoom further in digital.

I am sure there is just some small obvious thing I am overlooking here. Can someone enlighten me, please? I hope there is nothing wrong with my camera. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Sep 4, 2012 11:25:56   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Elenaluna wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
tdklex wrote:
User-P510 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
isn't it true that with the FZ 200 you can double the max zoom to 1200, making it longer than the 840 of the SX 40?


Optical Zoom - Canon wins!....Digital Zoom - Canon wins!

FZ200=48X Max Zoom v SX40=140x Max Zoom


Maybe i'm doing something wrong, o.k ? So i'm looking at all the photos i've seen with the SX 40 as well as the video. The shots i've seen with the zoom all the way out are incredible.

I mean, it looks like you can get a close up from at least 12-1500 feet and still be sharp. Trouble is, when i test one at the store, it dosen't even come close.

Is it because it's not set to Digital Zoom, which the clerk said it was, or is it because i only have so much room to zoom in the store? I must say, i'm a little confused.

Thanks for any help.
Tom
quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn't it true that... (show quote)


Digital zoom probably turned off. When in Auto Mode, look at the top of the LCD while zooming. Does it have a little white line about 2/3 of the way from left to right? If it does not have that the digital is not active. Also when zooming with Digital Zoom activated, there will be a 'stop' at the end of the optical zoom so you have to release the zoom lever and start it again to go into the digital zoom range. Then be sure to hold it REAL STEADY because it will be difficult to really hold steady!!
quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn'... (show quote)


I have just bought the SX40 and absolutely love it. However, I am having trouble with the digital zoom setting. When I go under "Menu", the Digital Zoom choice says "off" and it is faded out so I can't turn it on. The same thing is true with Program, Shutter Speed, Aperture and Manual. Also, when I go to Auto as suggested above and zoom, there IS the white line at the top as described above, which would seem to indicate that the digital zoom is activted (as per the above paragraph) But it doesn't stop and start again to zoom further in digital.

I am sure there is just some small obvious thing I am overlooking here. Can someone enlighten me, please? I hope there is nothing wrong with my camera. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quot... (show quote)


I had a problem with that once myself. Couldn't figure out which setting was preventing me from changing it, so went into the menu and then under TOOLS, the middle tab, go to the bottom and RESET ALL which should take it back to Factory Settings and then you should be able to get to it again. IF the digital zoom is activated, it should stop. Also while zooming there should be a little blue or blue-green number below that bar showing the magnification ( 35x, 140x, etc)

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Sep 4, 2012 11:35:21   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Wahawk wrote:
Elenaluna wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
tdklex wrote:
User-P510 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
isn't it true that with the FZ 200 you can double the max zoom to 1200, making it longer than the 840 of the SX 40?


Optical Zoom - Canon wins!....Digital Zoom - Canon wins!

FZ200=48X Max Zoom v SX40=140x Max Zoom


Maybe i'm doing something wrong, o.k ? So i'm looking at all the photos i've seen with the SX 40 as well as the video. The shots i've seen with the zoom all the way out are incredible.

I mean, it looks like you can get a close up from at least 12-1500 feet and still be sharp. Trouble is, when i test one at the store, it dosen't even come close.

Is it because it's not set to Digital Zoom, which the clerk said it was, or is it because i only have so much room to zoom in the store? I must say, i'm a little confused.

Thanks for any help.
Tom
quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn't it true that... (show quote)


Digital zoom probably turned off. When in Auto Mode, look at the top of the LCD while zooming. Does it have a little white line about 2/3 of the way from left to right? If it does not have that the digital is not active. Also when zooming with Digital Zoom activated, there will be a 'stop' at the end of the optical zoom so you have to release the zoom lever and start it again to go into the digital zoom range. Then be sure to hold it REAL STEADY because it will be difficult to really hold steady!!
quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn'... (show quote)


I have just bought the SX40 and absolutely love it. However, I am having trouble with the digital zoom setting. When I go under "Menu", the Digital Zoom choice says "off" and it is faded out so I can't turn it on. The same thing is true with Program, Shutter Speed, Aperture and Manual. Also, when I go to Auto as suggested above and zoom, there IS the white line at the top as described above, which would seem to indicate that the digital zoom is activted (as per the above paragraph) But it doesn't stop and start again to zoom further in digital.

I am sure there is just some small obvious thing I am overlooking here. Can someone enlighten me, please? I hope there is nothing wrong with my camera. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quot... (show quote)


I had a problem with that once myself. Couldn't figure out which setting was preventing me from changing it, so went into the menu and then under TOOLS, the middle tab, go to the bottom and RESET ALL which should take it back to Factory Settings and then you should be able to get to it again. IF the digital zoom is activated, it should stop. Also while zooming there should be a little blue or blue-green number below that bar showing the magnification ( 35x, 140x, etc)
quote=Elenaluna quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quot... (show quote)

Thanks

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Sep 4, 2012 11:51:32   #
Elenaluna Loc: Georgia
 
Wahawk wrote:
Elenaluna wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
tdklex wrote:
User-P510 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
isn't it true that with the FZ 200 you can double the max zoom to 1200, making it longer than the 840 of the SX 40?


Optical Zoom - Canon wins!....Digital Zoom - Canon wins!

FZ200=48X Max Zoom v SX40=140x Max Zoom


Maybe i'm doing something wrong, o.k ? So i'm looking at all the photos i've seen with the SX 40 as well as the video. The shots i've seen with the zoom all the way out are incredible.

I mean, it looks like you can get a close up from at least 12-1500 feet and still be sharp. Trouble is, when i test one at the store, it dosen't even come close.

Is it because it's not set to Digital Zoom, which the clerk said it was, or is it because i only have so much room to zoom in the store? I must say, i'm a little confused.

Thanks for any help.
Tom
quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn't it true that... (show quote)


Digital zoom probably turned off. When in Auto Mode, look at the top of the LCD while zooming. Does it have a little white line about 2/3 of the way from left to right? If it does not have that the digital is not active. Also when zooming with Digital Zoom activated, there will be a 'stop' at the end of the optical zoom so you have to release the zoom lever and start it again to go into the digital zoom range. Then be sure to hold it REAL STEADY because it will be difficult to really hold steady!!
quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn'... (show quote)


I have just bought the SX40 and absolutely love it. However, I am having trouble with the digital zoom setting. When I go under "Menu", the Digital Zoom choice says "off" and it is faded out so I can't turn it on. The same thing is true with Program, Shutter Speed, Aperture and Manual. Also, when I go to Auto as suggested above and zoom, there IS the white line at the top as described above, which would seem to indicate that the digital zoom is activted (as per the above paragraph) But it doesn't stop and start again to zoom further in digital.

I am sure there is just some small obvious thing I am overlooking here. Can someone enlighten me, please? I hope there is nothing wrong with my camera. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quot... (show quote)


I had a problem with that once myself. Couldn't figure out which setting was preventing me from changing it, so went into the menu and then under TOOLS, the middle tab, go to the bottom and RESET ALL which should take it back to Factory Settings and then you should be able to get to it again. IF the digital zoom is activated, it should stop. Also while zooming there should be a little blue or blue-green number below that bar showing the magnification ( 35x, 140x, etc)
quote=Elenaluna quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quot... (show quote)


BINGO! That works. Thank you so much Wahawk, I sure do appreciate it and it is a relief to know nothing is wrong with my camera. Okay, I'm off to try out the digital zoom!

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Sep 4, 2012 11:51:32   #
Elenaluna Loc: Georgia
 
Wahawk wrote:
Elenaluna wrote:
Wahawk wrote:
tdklex wrote:
User-P510 wrote:
tdklex wrote:
isn't it true that with the FZ 200 you can double the max zoom to 1200, making it longer than the 840 of the SX 40?


Optical Zoom - Canon wins!....Digital Zoom - Canon wins!

FZ200=48X Max Zoom v SX40=140x Max Zoom


Maybe i'm doing something wrong, o.k ? So i'm looking at all the photos i've seen with the SX 40 as well as the video. The shots i've seen with the zoom all the way out are incredible.

I mean, it looks like you can get a close up from at least 12-1500 feet and still be sharp. Trouble is, when i test one at the store, it dosen't even come close.

Is it because it's not set to Digital Zoom, which the clerk said it was, or is it because i only have so much room to zoom in the store? I must say, i'm a little confused.

Thanks for any help.
Tom
quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn't it true that... (show quote)


Digital zoom probably turned off. When in Auto Mode, look at the top of the LCD while zooming. Does it have a little white line about 2/3 of the way from left to right? If it does not have that the digital is not active. Also when zooming with Digital Zoom activated, there will be a 'stop' at the end of the optical zoom so you have to release the zoom lever and start it again to go into the digital zoom range. Then be sure to hold it REAL STEADY because it will be difficult to really hold steady!!
quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quote=tdklex isn'... (show quote)


I have just bought the SX40 and absolutely love it. However, I am having trouble with the digital zoom setting. When I go under "Menu", the Digital Zoom choice says "off" and it is faded out so I can't turn it on. The same thing is true with Program, Shutter Speed, Aperture and Manual. Also, when I go to Auto as suggested above and zoom, there IS the white line at the top as described above, which would seem to indicate that the digital zoom is activted (as per the above paragraph) But it doesn't stop and start again to zoom further in digital.

I am sure there is just some small obvious thing I am overlooking here. Can someone enlighten me, please? I hope there is nothing wrong with my camera. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quote=User-P510 quot... (show quote)


I had a problem with that once myself. Couldn't figure out which setting was preventing me from changing it, so went into the menu and then under TOOLS, the middle tab, go to the bottom and RESET ALL which should take it back to Factory Settings and then you should be able to get to it again. IF the digital zoom is activated, it should stop. Also while zooming there should be a little blue or blue-green number below that bar showing the magnification ( 35x, 140x, etc)
quote=Elenaluna quote=Wahawk quote=tdklex quot... (show quote)


BINGO! That works. Thank you so much Wahawk, I sure do appreciate it and it is a relief to know nothing is wrong with my camera. Okay, I'm off to try out the digital zoom!

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Sep 4, 2012 12:01:52   #
CanonJC
 
marcomarks wrote:
Donwitz wrote:
I did a quick internet search, and the Canon wins. See

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-SX40-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-FZ200

AND, its cheaper!


I don't see any way to call the Canon a winner. I'm not saying it's a loser but it doesn't dominate the comparison at all. The author of that article is clearly biased toward Canon. The Canon seems to have better movie features (Whoopty-doo. Personally I don't care because I use a still camera for stills and that's a still camera's main function), has four supposed advantages which are even stated as being the same or almost the same so they're not really advantages at all. It doesn't shoot RAW and only features a longer zoom and a lower price. That's it - longer zoom and currently lower price. Big deal.

The Panasonic has a very definite advantage with constant f/2.8 across the zoom range. I also really enjoy Leica glass although the Canon glass is just fine. Those are BIG advantages when doing a side by side comparision - not something trivial to pass over in a list or not mention at all. The two cameras even use completely different sensors that can't be compared with a simple MP number - which again were virtually identical numbers anyway.

That review is lame and just a spec comparison that provides absolutely nothing of value to shop with. It's very possible the author never touched either camera and did the article from spec sheets on company websites. I haven't seen a real hands-on reviews of the Panasonic yet except reviewers fondling a prototype at an electronics show. When extensive side-by-side reviews are available then we can start to make real assessments.

The SX-40 also is now at a street price that is much lower because it's not a new model. Its retail is higher than it's current price. The $599 retail of the Panasonic will come down after it's been out for a while, I suspect to around $425 street price or so. If the FZ-200 is as good or better than the FZ-150 I'd say the FZ-200 will be a clear winner over the Canon SX-40 for a while and Canon will come up with an SX-50 quickly to be a direct competition - and it will also start out at around $599 retail.
quote=Donwitz I did a quick internet search, and ... (show quote)


Naw, it will be cost $429.99 when SX50 come, the same as SX30 and SX40 had. Now SX40 is cost around $374.99 and less.

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Sep 4, 2012 12:48:09   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
sarge69 wrote:
I have the SX40HS and it is great. Except for the annoying buttons too near the thumb rest.

Sarge69


That is my problem - have to possess exceptional dexterity to ensure I do not bring up the wrong function or setting - but still a great camera!!

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