Nikon's Z 7 Camera.....experience with it? (Page 2): He didn't say you can't use DX. I believe he was referring to different area modes like 1.3x. I have not had any dust problems, but...

Bill_de Loc: US

BDHender wrote:

I have a Z7 and believe you are wrong on the majority of your assertions. I have over 5k images and zero dust. Cleaning is the same as DSLR. The adapter is very easy to use. You can indeed use DX lenses and the DX area. It's the 4th item down on the shooting menu.

This stuff amazes me. It all started when initial reviewers made all kinds of erroneous claims when the camera first came out and they didn't know how to use it.

Bryan

He didn't say you can't use DX. I believe he was referring to different area modes like 1.3x.
I have not had any dust problems, but I am more careful when changing lenses on the Z.
The adapter is not an issue at all. If using multiple F mount lenses just leave it on the camera. It may even provide more dust protection when swapping lenses.

As for reviewers erroneous claims, that's what they get for looking to the internet for 'their' information, instead of picking up a camera.

That's some, not all.

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Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio

RE: Dust

My Z7 does see more dust than the DSLRs - most because the sensor is always exposed when changing lenses (too bad it doesn't drop the shutter curtain when the lens is dismounted or something). However, the sensor is also way easier to clean and most of the time just a few quick blasts from a Rocket Blower is all you need. I have a few reasons why I don't like the Z, but dust isn't one of them.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

BDHender wrote:

I have a Z7 and believe you are wrong on the majority of your assertions. I have over 5k images and zero dust. Cleaning is the same as DSLR. The adapter is very easy to use. You can indeed use DX lenses and the DX area. It's the 4th item down on the shooting menu.

This stuff amazes me. It all started when initial reviewers made all kinds of erroneous claims when the camera first came out and they didn't know how to use it.

Bryan

You don’t understand. Perhaps you should give that a try.

My D800, and I presume all D8xxs, let you choose from all five image areas with a DX lens. Some DX lenses work fine using image areas up to FX, at least over part of the range. The Zs lock in the DX image area only. Try it.

Take a picture of the sky at f16 and then look it over at full magnification in your viewfinder. And read what Nikon says in the manual about manual cleaning of the sensor.

I guess the adapter use is up to the user. For me it is a major PITA requiring flopping 4 end caps and adding to system size and weight.

moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment

Here's a point for the Z7 no one's mentioned. I've been using it with an old PB4 bellows, the one with tilt/shift movements. It does not couple with the camera for aperture setting--you must use the aperture ring, and you can't see a readout of what aperture you have selected.

On a DSLR, this means to see your depth of field, you have to use the preview button, and the image becomes so dark you really can't tell what is or isn't in focus. (I'm using the 105 micro f/4 lens that came with the unit.). Or, shoot and chimp.

The beauty of the mirrorless system is that you can stop down the lens as far as you want--even to f/32!!- and adjust the shutter speed accordingly, and get a perfectly lit view of what your image will look like at that or any aperture you choose, before shooting. So, if you like shooting with older lenses, the WYSIWYG feature can be invaluable.

Just one of many plusses for mirrorless. I also shoot Olympus, but they don't have any tilt/shift lenses that I know of.

Summitridge

I didn’t think of looking at FB. All these comments have been helpful. The D850 has been in my sights for a while. So has the Z 7. Those of you have used both have helped me understand the attributes and drawbacks of each.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

BobHartung wrote:

There is a Z-6 & Z-7 Group on Facebook. So if you partake of any of the photo groups on FB give them a look. Lots of comments on both sides of the fence.

Dust is a problem no matter what mirrorless lens you have.

I’m sure you meant ”cameras” vs. ”lens”.

Dust isn’t a problem on my GM5 (M4/3). I suspect because I never use it at f16.

I understand Sony closes the shutter when off, so gets less dust on the sensor.

I find the rocket blower helpful but not 100%. Despite Nikon recommendations I have used my Arctic Butterfly (carefully) on it. It helps but spots requiring wet cleaning remain.

And yes, I am careful to change lenses out of the wind with opening facing down.

Perhaps my part of the country is dustier than other areas. Anyhow, my D800 collected far less dust and was easy to wet clean when needed. And My D5600 never seems to need it.

Summitridge

Thanks for the dust discussion. I didn’t know the sensor was exposed during lens changes.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

moonhawk wrote:

Here's a point for the Z7 no one's mentioned. I'v... (show quote)

Yes, the EVF is a great plus even with lenses that are fully automatic.

I turn the camera off between most shots but don’t find the slight delay on startup problematic.

I forgot to mention that I had a problem with the auto switch from EVF to LCD. It stopped working. After a discussion here I cleaned the EVF with a rocket blower and it solved the problem. Apparently the sensor is sensitive to dust.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

Summitridge wrote:

Thanks. I have not heard these things as of yet. I have a D800 and D810. Will keep the 810. Trying for a lighter load as I have had two shoulder surgeries. I am waffling between the D 850 and the Z 7. I like the 9 fpm for the Z 7. I also have a D 500 for fast shooting, but low light is a big problem. Do a lot of animals in motion.

"Lighter load"...Try another brand APSC...

Cheers!

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

IDguy wrote:

I’m sure you meant ”cameras” vs. ”lens”.......

Yes indeed. Another case of fat fingers still faster than my aging brain.

Selene03

IDguy wrote:

I’m sure you meant ”cameras” vs. ”lens”. br br Du... (show quote)

Selene03

IDguy wrote:

I’m sure you meant ”cameras” vs. ”lens”. br br Du... (show quote)

Actually, the Sony doesn't do this (at least the a7iii and a7riii don't) and are real dust magnets. The Nikon is probably better dust wise. But, a rocket blower will become your best friend!

Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.

IDguy wrote:

I tried a thread like this on the Z6 a while back ... (show quote)

Your no.1 explanation is the very reason I'd never buy Nikon's mirrorless Z cameras, when the camera is shut off, the lens stays open. For the life of me, I can't understand why Nikon would make a camera that does that. A lot of Sony cameras does that also.

WOOF Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Thank You all vey much for your comments.

I agree with many things that were said, but do not have problems with some of the other things that bothered some. I like my D800, but as I get older I find it getting heavy and a tripod is not always and option. I am much steadier on the Z than the D800.

I kept the D800 as well and what is always amazing to me is I can still use the lenses I bought for my NikonF in 1965 (with some modification).

Brian

IDguy Loc: Idaho

Ched49 wrote:

Your no.1 explanation is the very reason I'd never buy Nikon's mirrorless Z cameras, when the camera is shut off, the lens stays open. For the life of me, I can't understand why Nikon would make a camera that does that. A lot of Sony cameras does that also.

And I think you meant ”shutter” vs. ”lens”.