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Jun 9, 2019 10:01:16   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
My S7 has a pretty good camera but outside of good light, it is useless. Besides, changing phones is only something I'll do when I have to.

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Jun 9, 2019 10:11:33   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
I’ve had both Olympus EM-5 and Panasonic LX-3 both bought quite long time ago. Both took very good photos. Olympus the menus are daunting. I really had to study them. And I really didn’t use the 40-150mm lens. I also didn’t like Olympus service at that time. The Panasonic, I really enjoyed the camera. I took it to Europe. I ended up giving it to my daughter. BTW, I now shoot Fuji.

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Jun 9, 2019 10:23:49   #
colt4x5 Loc: Central Connecticut
 
No recommendations, but I'll share my recent experience ...
I bought a used Leica D-Lux (Typ 109), and love it - 12 MP, compact and light (even with the grip I added), decent zoom range (24-75 optical, to 90 digitally), well-designed electronic viewfinder, easy-to-use menus, capable of shooting/focusing on Automatic or Manually in rich colors as well as monochrome ... But even used/with tax it was $150 over your budget.
My second choice would be the Nikon Coolpix W300: 16 MP, viewfinder, waterproof to about 100 feet and sealed for dust (and thus nicely weatherproof), moderately shock resistant. Nice and compact, and about $300. As was suggested elsewhere, you could spend the remaining $350 on something special along the road.
To me, vacation says "easy and light," and both these cameras do that well enough - and you don't have to carry extra glass and tripods and doodads.

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Jun 9, 2019 10:40:58   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
colt4x5 wrote:
No recommendations, but I'll share my recent experience ...
I bought a used Leica D-Lux (Typ 109), and love it - 12 MP, compact and light (even with the grip I added), decent zoom range (24-75 optical, to 90 digitally), well-designed electronic viewfinder, easy-to-use menus, capable of shooting/focusing on Automatic or Manually in rich colors as well as monochrome ... But even used/with tax it was $150 over your budget.
My second choice would be the Nikon Coolpix W300: 16 MP, viewfinder, waterproof to about 100 feet and sealed for dust (and thus nicely weatherproof), moderately shock resistant. Nice and compact, and about $300. As was suggested elsewhere, you could spend the remaining $350 on something special along the road.
To me, vacation says "easy and light," and both these cameras do that well enough - and you don't have to carry extra glass and tripods and doodads.
No recommendations, but I'll share my recent exper... (show quote)


I really appreciate your input. Maybe a bridge camera is a way to go. But the Coolpix doesn't have a big objective which to me indicates it's going to suck in low light just like a cell phone camera.

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Jun 9, 2019 10:41:54   #
EdU239 Loc: The Northeast
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
I have two driving vacations planned with my family of 6 adults for this year and a cruise with them next year. My wife and I are trying our best to get all of us together a few more times while we can. Our children will probably consider it torture.

My four children are currently ages 16 to 22. I am a prolific, family photo taker and for years I've used my DX DSLRs for that, D100, D90, D7000. I've never been satisfied with a cell phone and I really have to have a viewfinder to be happy. For these trips, space is going to be limited and that's a good excuse to get something a bit more modern and much smaller. Since I don't spend a lot on camera gear and have always bought used, my wife has given me her blessing if I keep the cost under control. I'm not one to charge anything or break the piggy bank, so I have set a firm budget of $650 total. That includes extra batteries, etc.

I have narrowed it down to the Panasonic GX85 kit with two lenses and the Olympus OM-10 Mk II kit which is currently offered with an additional telephoto lens. The cameras have nearly identical features although the Panasonic is newer. Both have good reviews. Both have in-body, 5-axis stabilization which might be a plus if I put any of my Nikon glass on them which I most certainly will try.

You may think I'm a bit crazy, but I shoot raw and I really don't want to deal with the size files that would come off of a 20 or 24 megapixel sensor. These match the resolution of my D7000 which I think is about perfect.

The Panasonic wins on video probably because it's newer. I don't take much video, but that might be because my D7000 is not an inspiring video camera. It also wins on warranty since the kit gives you 2 extra years. This might come in handy considering the complexity of the short lens which telescopes.

The Olympus has an edge in reviews, has a rangier short lens in the kit, and may win on ergonomics with me since it has a center-mounted viewfinder.

Here are the two links to B&H who will be collecting my money. I know many of you will be tempted to give me alternatives. Go ahead. That said, I'm really looking for any shortcomings any of you may have found through experience in either of these cameras.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1444716-REG/panasonic_lumix_dmc_gx85_mirrorless_micro.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1238281-REG/olympus_v207051bu000_om_d_e_m10_mark_ii.html
I have two driving vacations planned with my famil... (show quote)


I have not used the Panasonic so can't comment on it.

I purchased an M10 Mk II a couple of years ago primarily for travel. (I got it to supplement my Canon 80D which I love but is a real pain to carry on an airplane.) I would happily recommend the Olympus. It's small and easy to carry and I'm very happy with the pictures I can take with it. I have the 14-42 EZ pancake lens, the 14-150 f4-5.6 II, and the 17mm. f1.8. I also have the 12-40 f2.8 (bought used), although it is really a bit big for the M10 body and I generally don't use it for travel. In my case the 14-150 and 17 mm came as a pair. If you really like the camera I would suggest putting the 17mm on a list for a future upgrade. The 14-42 and 14-150 lenses in the B&H bundle are different from what I have but my guess is that performance is about the same. I probably use the 14-150 lens the most when traveling. Optically it's not in the same class as their Pro models, but it is a great walk around combination with the M10.

I find the Olympus menu system overly complicated and I think this is a fairly common reaction for people who are coming from cameras from other companies. If you have the opportunity it would probably be useful to handle one both to check out the feel (a lot smaller than a DSLR) and to get a look at their menu. If I haven't used the camera in a while, remembering where to look in the menu for something is a pain and there's a lot that I simply never use. Also, definitely get at least one extra battery and two if you can afford it. I think the camera is rated around 250 shots per charge and that seems about right. I started out with only one batter and had some extremely frustrating experiences with the battery going dead before I learned the lesson.

I hope you have some great trips!

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Jun 9, 2019 10:49:07   #
Imagemine Loc: St. Louis USA
 
I have a Fujifilm x100t great for street photography, in my opinion x series Fujifilm cameras are great with excellent auto focus

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Jun 9, 2019 10:57:52   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
I really appreciate your input. Maybe a bridge camera is a way to go.


The bridge has served me well starting with the Minolta Z1, back before the term "bridge" had been coined. Then the Fuji HS10 to the HS50 EXR, and now the Sony RX10M4. Some 18 years with the bridge and never even considered a DSLR. The only short-coming I've encountered is the small sensor which requires some work-around.

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Jun 9, 2019 11:17:20   #
CWGordon
 
I have had the olympus camera series. Loved it. But, after years of trying virtually everything on the market and keeping many manufacturers in business; I have settled on the a6000 series. The a6000 is plenty. I am unsure of what the newer models offer, but have met every demand, on travel, with a6000. Small, lightweight, has viewfinder - use it all the time. Good price. Lenses reasonable. Look at prices on Sigma lenses for the “a” series. Very reasonable. Best of all it has APS-C sensor. Decent size for what you want. I use it on bicycle trips and have been very pleased. Everyone giving advice is confusing. Best of luck in your choice. Enjoy your trip. Don’t forget to take plenty of alcohol!

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Jun 9, 2019 11:26:27   #
Paul J. Svetlik Loc: Colorado
 
Let us see, if this can help, InfiniteISO?

For travel I chose a camera with APS-C sensor (although sometimes I'll go even down to 1") about 25 megapixels, having RAW but I don't look for a large zoom. The wide angle lens is more important for tight situations.
EVF is a must for speed and for the changing light conditions.
A silent shutter might be a plus.
Good luck with your choice!

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Jun 9, 2019 11:51:08   #
charlienow Loc: Hershey, PA
 
Hope your trips are all great...and I respect your choice to have input from your wife for a purchase of this size...To some $650 does not seem like much, but to us retirees with fixed incomes we need to live on a budget...

Now, if my wife gave me permission or as i like to put it encouraged me to get a new camera with a budget of $650 dollars (which she did last year) i would opt to upgrade my camera body...$650 is not enough for the lens i want so a new body where my best body was the D7000 i would definitely buy the D7200...It has 2 card slots and you can use slot 1 for RAW and slot 2 for JPEG backup...It has built-in Wi-Fi & NFC which allows you to easily share photos to your devices wirelessly..and there wont be much of a learning curve...

I would be concerned that your new purchase would end up where my bridge camera is today-in the closet collecting dust...whereas the d7200 would be your new companion when you are taking pictures for years to come...

Looking forward to seeing pictures from your trips...

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Jun 9, 2019 11:51:22   #
asymptotic_maybe Loc: Southern California
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
I am a prolific, family photo taker and for years I've used my DX DSLRs for that, D100, D90, D7000. I've never been satisfied with a cell phone and I really have to have a viewfinder to be happy. For these trips, space is going to be limited...
Thanks in advance.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1444716-REG/panasonic_lumix_dmc_gx85_mirrorless_micro.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1238281-REG/olympus_v207051bu000_om_d_e_m10_mark_ii.html


Sorry in advance for this, as it doesn't comply with your conditions, BUT :)...you already have nice DSLR's and lenses, why go for just a bit smaller version that will still require multiple lenses, etc., to make it all work?

Like you, I have several DSLRs and lots of lenses and have hauled them to some pretty crazy places. We recently bought a Lumix ZS100 (it was supposed to be for my wife, but). It has amazing zoom range (with the one, permanently attached lens). It has a viewfinder, it has a 1" sensor, and it fits in a large pocket, the complete Kit! And, for the control freaks, it goes full Manual! You can find um under $500.

Just sayin'

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Jun 9, 2019 12:03:18   #
dick ranez
 
Two quick comments - with your budget, consider a bridge camera (small, decent image quality, usually wide zoom range) and you should have enough money left over to enjoy "something special" on your trip. Second, m4/3 is a dead end system, so consider a aps-c camera (and then you're back to what you already own so you can save the money for your next trip - if there is one after dragging four kids and a spouse on this one.

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Jun 9, 2019 12:36:59   #
ecurb1105
 
User ID wrote:
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I use both brands but neither of those exact versions.

Amongst my several models are special features that
I value: 6K burst, "one touch" exposure, perspective
correction, focus stacking, HDR, etc, etc. But acoarst
not all features are on every camera.

So, given two outfits of essentially equal basic ability,
maybe it's a specialty feature that will win your wallet
to one kit or the other ?

=============================

In my flock, Olympus has the outstanding specialty
features, but Lumix has the outstanding operational
features. So the Lumix features aid me continuously
altho not adding special imaging abilities, while the
Olympus features are not of continuous use, but do
add special imaging abilities. IOW, Lumix features
are ergonomic conveniences, Olympus features are
actually enabling image making in special situations
[focus stacking, perspective adjusting] ... BUT ! but
becuz you prefer raw files, a few of the Olympus's
imaging features will be denied you :-(

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"Acoarst" ??

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Jun 9, 2019 12:42:27   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
I had the Olympus M5 and M10 and both produced excellent images. In looking back some of my best pictures were taken with those cameras. I never found the menus to be that awful. There have since been updates on both and they are likely even better. What I didn't like about either was the ergonomics and the eyecups. Seems like a small complaint but it grew into an issue that had me looking for something else.

You look like a big man with probably big hands so they might not work for you either. The fuji XT series was a better fit for me. And with most all of the important controls on the outside of the camera it's ready quicker to just shoot. You might be able to get a Fuji X-T2 with kit lens for around or just over your budget. If this interests you at all look at the Fuji sale and trade site on Facebook. Lots of good deals from people selling to get the next upgrade.
Personally I think the Fuji X-T2 would be a better buy than a point and shoot. Just my opinion of course.

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Jun 9, 2019 12:45:53   #
adamsg Loc: Chubbuck, ID
 
RickTaylor wrote:
Keep your NIKON’s. You already have good equipment. With the crew you are traveling with spend the money on the best scotch you can find.


I agree and "Slainte magoch". Scotch will definitely lubricate any possible friction. I think taking what you have would easiest - you know the equipment well. That can make for lots less possible frustration. The Gaelic/Pictish quote is the toast - "To your health". Pronounce it "Slainch magoch".

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