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Closed Road (our forest service sucks!)
May 25, 2019 22:33:16 #
We tried to take the horses on a closed (to vehicle traffic but open to foot and horse) road to look for moose horns. Someone from the Flathead Forest Service authorized to have the brush cut from the upper and lower portions of the road and then they THREW the brush onto the road to restrict access! Just ticks me off to no end! It was so bad we couldn't even get the horses thru it.
Now who in their right minds would authorize this and why? I can understand making a kelly hump and removing the culverts to restrict access to four wheelers but come on...this is just ridiculous!
I have rode my horses on various closed roads until the point that nature reclaims them..there is no reason for this mess other than to keep the public out. Is this only a problem in Montana or do other states have to deal with this lack of common sense?
Now who in their right minds would authorize this and why? I can understand making a kelly hump and removing the culverts to restrict access to four wheelers but come on...this is just ridiculous!
I have rode my horses on various closed roads until the point that nature reclaims them..there is no reason for this mess other than to keep the public out. Is this only a problem in Montana or do other states have to deal with this lack of common sense?
May 25, 2019 22:39:54 #
May 25, 2019 22:45:39 #
rayofgray wrote:
What part of "road closed" don't you understand?
Road closed to vehicle traffic....big difference!
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May 25, 2019 23:08:07 #
The road is closed, Cindy. No access. In your case, a horse is the “vehicle”. It is not some sort of personal vendetta against you or your horses. Have you tried speaking calmly with the forest rangers to determine why this road is closed?
May 25, 2019 23:13:03 #
rjaywallace wrote:
The road is closed, Cindy. No access. In your case, a horse is the “vehicle”. It is not some sort of personal vendetta against you or your horses. Have you tried speaking calmly with the forest rangers to determine why this road is closed?
I guess I used the wrong word "closed" -- it's gated to vehicle traffic -- we have thousands of miles of gated roads that are closed to vehicle traffic but open to foot and horse traffic -- this is one of those roads. The forest service in my area has been doing this to the roads for a few years and Yes I have tried to contact our local office as well as the Secretary of the Interior but hence...no answer.
May 25, 2019 23:21:55 #
If the natural resources were not managed, there would be no natural resources for you to enjoy.
Mike
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May 25, 2019 23:25:29 #
jdubu
Loc: San Jose, CA
I suppose they feel they don't have to clear the road since it is closed to vehicles, no consideration for horses?
On the other hand, not sure why this is posted in the main photography forum.
On the other hand, not sure why this is posted in the main photography forum.
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May 25, 2019 23:25:36 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
If the natural resources were not managed, there would be no natural resources for you to enjoy.
Mike
Mike
I understand that and agree with that - what I don't understand is why they would throw the brush the way they did...this is not management and this is not reclaiming the area either, just no common sense in a lot of the stuff they do.
May 25, 2019 23:25:46 #
One of these days they will piss off the wrong person - -
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.
May 25, 2019 23:33:07 #
jdubu wrote:
I suppose they feel they don't have to clear the road since it is closed to vehicles, no consideration for horses?
On the other hand, not sure why this is posted in the main photography forum.
On the other hand, not sure why this is posted in the main photography forum.
The road was clear - they purposely threw the brush from 10 to 15 ft from inside the woods to the road.....just doesn't make sense! And it's in that forum because that's the one I picked....which one would you prefer? I can have admin move it.
May 25, 2019 23:34:15 #
[quote=Merlin1300]One of these days they will piss off the wrong person - -
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.[/quote
Same here
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.[/quote
Same hereMay 25, 2019 23:46:16 #
I can only speculate, but perhaps they clear out young trees over an area to keep it from getting overcrowded. Doing so helps minimize the severity of forest fires. The crew doing this dump the trees into a road, as shown, but a different crew will later come thru and haul it out. Just offering a possible explanation.
May 25, 2019 23:47:29 #
CindyHouk wrote:
I understand that and agree with that - what I don't understand is why they would throw the brush the way they did...this is not management and this is not reclaiming the area either, just no common sense in a lot of the stuff they do.
My guess is that is it being managed for fire prevention, and that it is being put in the trail so it can be hauled out. I hike on trails managed by state and federal agencies 100 days out of the year at least. Once in a while I am inconvenienced because some sort of management work is being done. I am glad to see that! The only time I see mismanagement is when the work has been farmed out to a private company. That is happening more and more because of budget cuts and the desire of private operators to get their hands on public lands.
If you want better management complain to the politicians who keep cutting staffs and budgets, and privatizing operations. Tell them to stop kow-towing to the "yee haw, using federal property any damn way I please is my sovereign right!" crowd.
The people in the agencies managing public property are under tremendous political pressure and stress. Had it not been for the work they have done over the decades there would not be any public land for you to enjoy.
Mike
May 25, 2019 23:55:04 #
Merlin1300 wrote:
One of these days they will piss off the wrong person - -
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.
In Texas - horse trails are a sovereign right.
Is that some sort of threat or something? That is absolute nonsense. This is not the 1880s. Road closings happen all of time, closings that make it difficult for people to get to work, difficult for first responders, etc. Horse riding is mostly just an expensive hobby today. Federal land belongs to all of us, and management of that land for future generations is the task at hand. Your personal desires are subordinate to that.
I assume that you support expanding the US Forest Service budget consistent with your implied demand that the land be managed better, yes?
Mike
May 26, 2019 00:04:24 #
Looks like they are preparing to do some controlled burning of debris and underbrush. Best to get it clear of the trees lest it gets out of control when they do the burn. Isn't this common practice this time of year?
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