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May 19, 2019 17:37:14   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Rich1939 wrote:
I'm not saying this is he case in NH but, often the gas price reflects how far the gas pump is from the refinery. The truckers need to make a decent wage too.


Quite true. And I totally want a good wage for truckers - I have a friend who makes her living that way (leaving an executive job for the open road in her fifties~ but that's another story). BUT, how can our prices in Keene EVER be lower than those in eastern Massachusetts when it's a couple hours further from either the eastern Mass fuel depots or the refineries in New Jersey? It makes no sense at all to me, and belies any connection between supply and demand at that level. I'm sure you've noticed how prices cluster in a local area (check "Gas Buddy" online for examples), but the next major town east of us always seems to have prices a few cents higher than our town. It's a puzzle, but I think the oil companies and distributors are the puzzle-masters.

Andy

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May 19, 2019 18:11:26   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
AndyH wrote:
Quite true. And I totally want a good wage for truckers - I have a friend who makes her living that way (leaving an executive job for the open road in her fifties~ but that's another story). BUT, how can our prices in Keene EVER be lower than those in eastern Massachusetts when it's a couple hours further from either the eastern Mass fuel depots or the refineries in New Jersey? It makes no sense at all to me, and belies any connection between supply and demand at that level. I'm sure you've noticed how prices cluster in a local area (check "Gas Buddy" online for examples), but the next major town east of us always seems to have prices a few cents higher than our town. It's a puzzle, but I think the oil companies and distributors are the puzzle-masters.

Andy
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Though I can't do it anymore I used to travel extensively for pleasure and this was almost universal. Gas stations near major interstates or other super hi ways would have considerably higher prices than if you traveled deeper into the town. Most people just want to get their gas and get back on the road. If you get 15 gals of gas and pay 10 cents more per gallon, it's not worth trying further to find cheaper gas and save $1.50. Those stations near the off/on ramps know this and will charge what they can get away with. Caveat emptor.

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May 19, 2019 19:02:41   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Though I can't do it anymore I used to travel extensively for pleasure and this was almost universal. Gas stations near major interstates or other super hi ways would have considerably higher prices than if you traveled deeper into the town. Most people just want to get their gas and get back on the road. If you get 15 gals of gas and pay 10 cents more per gallon, it's not worth trying further to find cheaper gas and save $1.50. Those stations near the off/on ramps know this and will charge what they can get away with. Caveat emptor.
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This is certainly true, but it isn't just a matter of close to or far from major highways. It seems almost arbitrary, but I'm sure it's a case of demand pricing. I still don't understand how a city that's much further from refineries and depots can have prices lower on average than those in another location that's much closer.

Andy

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May 19, 2019 23:00:34   #
pendennis
 
DaveO wrote:
That has been the case in Ct since around 1949 or so. Called a Use Tax I think.


There's a distinction in sales and use taxes, without a real difference.

Sales taxes are collected on intrastate sales usually by retailers who remit the collection of said sales tax to the taxing jurisdiction on a regular basis. There are exceptions, such as exempt sales, and direct remittance by consumers.

Use taxes are collected on interstate sales by taxing jurisdictions when the taxable goods, etc., are to be used withing that jurisdiction.

Technically, B&H and others are collecting use taxes from customers, not sales taxes.

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May 19, 2019 23:07:12   #
pendennis
 
DaveO wrote:
You're just kidding, right? Not a big deal. They keep their customers happy and pay a lower discount rate on their store credit card as opposed to the other credit card programs. In my earlier post I also noted that many vendors offer various discounts, as do credit card companies. B&H had already been paying some gov't taxes to other states, so this is not completely new. B&H as well as others, will lose sales to some scofflaws and some to brick and mortar.

Heck, they easy have fancy software that when you enter a town and state, it will give a zip code.

Come to Ct, we'll show you some taxes!
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Not kidding at all. The Supreme Court opened a flood gate of tax collections for the states, and the smaller retail companies who don't have large tax departments will have to buy software to accommodate remittances of use taxes. Do you really think that these small companies have the resources to find all 10K+ taxing jurisdictions?

I was the treasurer for a 1500+ member conservation/trap, skeet, etc., club. We use a CPA and pay for accounting software. You'd be surprised at the complexity of the accounting when it comes to depreciation, payroll taxes, estate trust receipts, etc. We only have 10, or so employees, and we use a payroll service to save on the aggravation of writing checks, etc.

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May 20, 2019 05:30:23   #
ELNikkor
 
Fair or not, "Death" also can not be "skirted"...

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May 20, 2019 05:33:43   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Any state tax is low compared to the 25% that Trump says that the Chinese are paying... No, you will be paying the 25% as a price increase and the Treasury will get the money and Trump will "distribution of wealth" it to his 1% people.

My UHH friend in England said she had to pay 20% VAT [value added tax] on a used camera shipped from USA. So do not complain about state tax... it will get worse and you will look back at the good ol days.

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May 20, 2019 05:55:56   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
SportQue wrote:
Seems due to a new law companies are now required to charge sales tax on online purchases for out of state buyers. Anyone know of ways to skirt that? B&H is offering a credit card that pays your sales tax for you but I'm leery about getting another card online because of the personal information you have to give up, possible hidden fees etc. Also I need another CC like a hole in the head.


Just pay the state sales tax!!!, your still beating the local taxes.
How ever the main reason I buy from B&H and other on-line stores is the price and availability of the item.
My gripe about taxes are the way they are wasted, If you want the services you pay the price!!!!

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May 20, 2019 05:58:01   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
AndyH wrote:
If you come to New Hampshire be prepared for poorly maintained roads, inadequate public schools in many communities, and minimal services for seniors and the mentally and physically disabled. Also come prepared for the highest property taxes, on an equalized basis, in the nation. Then, there are the business taxes, high enough to be an obstacle to many startups.

On the good side, we have cheap booze at the state owned liquor stores, often located in highway rest areas.

Andy “Live free or die!” H
If you come to New Hampshire be prepared for poorl... (show quote)



https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/14/us-news-world-report-the-5-best-us-states-to-live-in.html
They do not share your belief about New Hampshire.

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May 20, 2019 06:09:08   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
agillot wrote:
i cannot believe that a credit card would pay your sales tax , some states up to 10 % . that does not make any sense .


It makes sense because there may be an annual fee but it also makes sense because if you use the card and do not pay the balance every month you will get hit with astronomical interest - anywhere from 17 to 25% I just signed up for a no-fee credit card on Amazon that gives you 5% back on Amazon purchases. It works great because I will never carry a balance on it.

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May 20, 2019 06:12:10   #
bioteacher Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
1963mca wrote:
If I read the info correct, the sales tax IS being paid to the state by B&H, you aren't cheating the state out of anything. What appears to be happening is that B&H is still paying the sales tax and at the same time refunding you the same amount of sales tax you paid. It seems like they would be losing money but my guess is that B&H is hoping that you will use your credit card and pay the monthly charge rather than paying off the card all at once. If you pay the monthly CC charge, it won't take long until the CC card interest you pay will far exceed the paltry x% sales tax you have saved. I figure B&H looked at the amount of credit card sales they take in and figured they should be getting the CC interest instead of Visa or Mastercard, and the x% sales tax rebate to get people to use their card is a small amount to sacrifice compared to the 29+% interest rate on their card, that would add up fast. Just my thoughts.
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Not to mention the service fee that they have to pay, especially to AMEX.

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May 20, 2019 06:14:21   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Rich1939 wrote:
I'm not saying this is he case in NH but, often the gas price reflects how far the gas pump is from the refinery. The truckers need to make a decent wage too.


Do not belief that myth. Truckers get paid by the mile or by the hour and a few are salaried. Google "Zone Pricing" or "Greed" for a little more insight.

Zone pricing in your search should include "...it’s the secret zone pricing rules, set by the distributors, that break the state into different zones and determine how much station owners must pay for gasoline. Pricing is determined by traffic volume, nearby income levels, the competitive landscape and other factors..."

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May 20, 2019 06:27:22   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
pendennis wrote:
Not kidding at all. The Supreme Court opened a flood gate of tax collections for the states, and the smaller retail companies who don't have large tax departments will have to buy software to accommodate remittances of use taxes. Do you really think that these small companies have the resources to find all 10K+ taxing jurisdictions?

I was the treasurer for a 1500+ member conservation/trap, skeet, etc., club. We use a CPA and pay for accounting software. You'd be surprised at the complexity of the accounting when it comes to depreciation, payroll taxes, estate trust receipts, etc. We only have 10, or so employees, and we use a payroll service to save on the aggravation of writing checks, etc.
Not kidding at all. The Supreme Court opened a fl... (show quote)


We are discussing an age old practice of collecting and paying sales tax to different jurisdictions and no other functions or cost of business software. Convoluting the issue with sales/use taxes is of no value to the statement regarding the cost impact to a business due to the new law.

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May 20, 2019 06:32:09   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
This is usually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who wrote in a 1789 letter that “Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.

Taxes are better then death

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May 20, 2019 06:34:53   #
lonewolf456
 
Sales taxes pay for many state funded services such as police protection, medical services like EMS and road repair. Think about that when you drive or going to the hospital in an EMS vehicle.

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