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May 19, 2019 09:03:42   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Gene51 wrote:


When I shot black and white sheet film, it was probably 80%. Shooting one shot every 10 mins will ensure that you carefully consider your camera settings, composition (upside down and reversed on the groundglass), and focus.

I am a better photographer today, after about 52 years of experience, and my quality standards have gotten way better, the gear has changed considerably allowing for more test shots, etc. So, if I were to shoot a horse competition, I strive for 90% at the very least. But when I am shooting for myself - if I shoot 3500 pictures a week, I am thrilled if I have 3 pictures that I'd hang on a wall.
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My film statistic too is much higher where some rolls are now almost every image, minus the occasional footshot and similar misfire. But, the subject matter and method tend to be much different with film than digital, where digitally, I'll attempt much more outlandish exposures / apertures to see if I can get even just one that will work. On film I'm much more conservative, working with perfect technique and subjects hopefully I can catch using a tripod. When I returned to film after several years away, I had too many rolls come back where I struggled to find even one image to justify the effort and expense. But, I took the challenge to up my game on understanding the various types of film, technique, and the situations of when and why as well as when and why not.

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May 19, 2019 09:27:23   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
throughrhettseyes wrote:
Printing and displaying on the wall is different than what you display in your on line portfolio. I have maybe 10 out of 35000 pictures in the last 4 years that are on my wall. Printing is very expensive. I am thinking that a 55" TV mounted on the wall to display my portfolio as a video picture frame. Or maybe several smaller TV's of different sizes as a video display wall. How's that for an answer.


I like your thinking about video display. When I lived in sunny 😎 SoCal I had a nice video display it’s size was 8x10 which showed many pictures in my home we sold out and live in a Motorhome no place to hang it so I sold it. I still have the SD cards but no video display. Oh well some day I’ll have home again and I’ll buy a display to show the new stuff LOL.

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May 19, 2019 09:28:31   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
I rarely make prints. I create photo shows using Pro Show Gold. The product uses a different criteria in composition and quality than for printing. I have more latitude in what I consider acceptable when I put a show together. Many times there is an overall story to tell that cannot be represented in one static print, so the individual photos in the show are judged by me on a different standard than for a one-off print. I have more "keepers".

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May 19, 2019 09:34:51   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
I get less keepers as time goes on. I think that is because I am getting pickier. I keep about 10% or less overall and compare over the years. I am looking for something unique in the bird or landscape world. A different view, a different pose, a unique condition or exposure. I don't want 25 views of the same thing.

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May 19, 2019 09:46:17   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Deanie1113 wrote:
Hi! I would LOVE to get a digital frame and just let it run ... that is a fantastic suggestion! Do you have any recommendations for me, like what brand and what size? Thanks so much!


Look on Amazon, B&H, etc.

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May 19, 2019 09:53:40   #
rodpark2 Loc: Dallas, Tx
 
I don't just blast away. I compose and adjust settings knowing with a good deal of certainty what I want, and how to get it. I shot film for many, many years and the cost of pushing the shutter release was between $.50 for 35 mm to $15 on 8X10. I still tend to shoot very conservatively. When I travel I edit and upload every night before going to bed. 25-50% of daily shots are used, and I'm particular. I usually choose between slight compositional differences as I expect to have well over 95% keepers. I probably don't actually discard one percent. But of course subject matter makes a huge difference. Shooting birds in the air nets a much lower percentage of keepers. Slight exposure bracketing on sunset and sunrise pictures gives me choices to best edit from. When shooting a wedding or party I expect to only toss 3-5 shots out of several hundred. I heard a woman say she got about 75% of her wedding shots that were usable. What were the 25% that were missed?

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May 19, 2019 09:57:39   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Carusoswi wrote:
In today's digital world, I would guess that 80% or more of my shots are "keepers" from a technical standpoint. I have a good cameras (DSLR's) that focuse accurately. My exposure is usually dead on unless I am shooting in difficult lighting (backlit, mostly white or mostly black subject, etc), but I do quickly review most of my shots in the little view that pops up after the shot and blinks over or under exposure. If there are no blinkers (or they occur in non-significant areas of the frame), I am confident that my exposure is acceptable, especially given that I can fine tune via post processing.

Now, of course, being technically correct does not a keeper or "wall hanger" make. These days I never print photos, but would guess that if I shoot 200 shots of my family or of landscapes taken during a bike ride, boating, etc., 10 or 20 I might post online to share with my family/friends. Most of the rest are lacking in some respect (composition, distracting elements that I missed when taking the shot, etc.).

Over the years when film was the only medium, I would concede that my real keeper rate was about the same. There were occasions when what would have been a keeper was spoiled due to poor exposure. I still shoot plenty of film, but my digital experience has taught me things that I never discovered when shooting film. My flash technique was horrible when shooting film (straight-on, harsh shadows, and the occasional flat-out miss because I incorrectly calculated distance and/or aperture). These days, from reading about using flash (so much information available on fora such as this one) and testing out the tips on my digital camera, I would almost never resort to straight-on flash, and I have found good success in using multiple flashes. I have applied all those tips/techniques on my film shots, and, lo and behold, they work, duh.

Often, some post processing can make a keeper for me of shots that I would normally reject, and this also holds true in many cases on my film shots (even those that I took 30 years ago). I often will go back and remove harsh shadows from those old shots (I kept all my negatives), or dust spots. I can lighten around eyes, etc. The digital age has breathed new life into my old film collection.

. . . and I do agree that photos improve with age, especially if the subject matter involves family/friends.

I apologize for the lengthy post, but enjoyed reading the other posts in this thread.

Caruso
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Don't apologize. I found your post very informative. Thanx

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May 19, 2019 10:02:42   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Hey Deanie, I've had three frames now over the last 8ish years. If you spend some time reading the reviews, it will seem like this technology is not ready for primetime. Each time, the frame has just gone dead on me, but after years of running 24x7 without ever a slightest problem. The current model is a NIX Advance 15 Inch Digital Photo Frame X15D. Even if I like that model that died, each time I return to the digital frame market, all the vendors and models are completely different and I can't find what I had purchased before.

There's some 'tricks' to getting the best performance: 1) only select landscape oriented images so the frame doesn't resize to fit. 2) Only put on JPEGs, skip video or anything exciting the frame claims to support. 3) Resize your images to fit the resolution / long-side of the frame. I do this with an LR export. Other software can do the same in batch. 4) Let the frame run 24x7. In the comments of this NIX model I found a discussion of the lights-out feature that causes the frame to restart after the first 100ish images, over and over, even if you have 8000 image files on the SD card.
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Good info. Thanx for sharing, it all made sense after thinking back over my first attempt at setting one up.

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May 19, 2019 10:22:00   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
We visited SC last fall. Found plenty there to take photos of.


You’re right. Just not where I live. Heading to Charleston for a week soon. Should be plenty there.

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May 19, 2019 10:31:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jklovell wrote:
You’re right. Just not where I live. Heading to Charleston for a week soon. Should be plenty there.



I say this about Williamsport but then look around with a tourist eye and there really is a lot of stuff, just see it every day.

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May 19, 2019 10:38:42   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
My percentage would vary on the location, the event, the subject.

If I am shooting Landscapes = I would estimate that over 60% (One exception was on a trip to Arcadia Nat. Pk. I kept about 90%)

If I am shooting Wildlife = about 5 to 10%. (Usually on "burst mode".)

If Shooting an event = (sports and gatherings, street, and large groups) = about 10%.

If shooting people (models, musicians, business execs) = about 5%

If shooting Stilllife = About 90%

And If I am experimenting (Old cameras - and cameras I have built, with Lenses I made) always 99%.

So with me - It will vary per what I am shooting, and of course, my high standards of my own work.

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May 19, 2019 10:43:28   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
rodpark2 wrote:
I don't just blast away. I compose and adjust settings knowing with a good deal of certainty what I want, and how to get it. I shot film for many, many years and the cost of pushing the shutter release was between $.50 for 35 mm to $15 on 8X10. I still tend to shoot very conservatively. When I travel I edit and upload every night before going to bed. 25-50% of daily shots are used, and I'm particular. I usually choose between slight compositional differences as I expect to have well over 95% keepers. I probably don't actually discard one percent. But of course subject matter makes a huge difference. Shooting birds in the air nets a much lower percentage of keepers. Slight exposure bracketing on sunset and sunrise pictures gives me choices to best edit from. When shooting a wedding or party I expect to only toss 3-5 shots out of several hundred. I heard a woman say she got about 75% of her wedding shots that were usable. What were the 25% that were missed?
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I like your style. :-)

While on locations I feel I MUST - Up-Load to the portable drives, and most often, See What The Hell I Got. Because at the time of capture - I am All about the technical part of the work and what I see in the viewfinder and ground glass. The ART will come later.

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May 19, 2019 10:47:04   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Tino wrote:
My question for everyone on here is this. Out of all the shots you take what is the percentage that you would consider displaying on a wall in your home for anyone to see? Not that I take a lot of pictures but out of what I have taken, I find very few that would be worthy of displaying. My girlfriend thinks a number of my shots are beautiful but I disagree. Then again, I am a very harsh critic of my photography and can always find something wrong.


I don't display on my walls any more.

There are different ways to define keepers. If using "Properly Exposed and Critically In-focus" roughly 50%.
Worth processing and sharing less than 5% of the 50%.

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May 19, 2019 10:48:10   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
I'm supposed to look at all my shots and cull and throw out the bad, keep the good.... oh dear!! What to do, what to do!!! LOL It (keepers) depends (for various reasons), fabulous/technical marvels, interesting subject matter, sentimental, only existing shots of cousin Joey, special places, special memories, those no longer with us, and on and on and on) - "keepers" aren't always about the "technical qualities", there maybe compelling reasons for keeping some shots that aren't technnically "up to snuff", family photo albums are usually full of them!!!

Some of us don't care about "wall hangers" some of us do.

Estimates: For special interests (where I try my bestest, use all my brain cells and exp) the keeper rate is optimistically somewhere in the 20-30% range, for walkabout casual shooting/snapshooting probably 10% or less. How many of any would I print and hang, that number is lower, single digit, however, I rarely print, but do several types of digital playback (digital frame, TV, monitor), that is my definition of a wall hanger.

Since I too am a harsh critic of my own work, I have a method that gives many shots a good second chance; I only throw out the poor/bad/blurry, "nobody is gonna want to see that" shots during initial reviews. I usually have another set of eyes (or two or three) look at them and along with my feelings about the shot, determine who stays in digital storage (it is so cheap & easy to store several sets, why not) and they get reviewed again at a later date. I often find some shots that I initially dismissed, as compelling for reasons I didn't see in earlier reviews, more often than I would have imagined.

In one of the family photo albums there is a B&W group portrait with many relatives who were long gone before I was born, it is set on a great uncles farm in Ohio - In front of the barn (well, where else), everyone is obviously in their Sunday-go-to-meeting/church best, all framed and exposed in typical non-pro manner, not technically very good. It is a wonderful average family shot - and unless you look really hard at the cut-n-stacked, huge woodpile beside the barn (next to the old "outhouse" with the moon on the door, edge of the frame), you would never see the smiling face of one of the farmhands, big ole grin, missing a couple front teeth, straw hat, ( he was a person of color that my grandmother said lived and worked there all his life ). The shot is "famous" in my extended family, who took the shot, lost to time - My point is that "keepers" aren't always the technical marvels..............

Somewhere on an 8gb card is a P&S run of a squirrel drinking from a beer can it stole off our picnic table, the shots were dark (nearly zero-dark-thirty), distant up in a tree, bridgecam zoomed to the max, but they are a funny set, the squirrel sitting back, holding up the can, looking like Jabba the Hut, chuckles all around! They are lousy from a photographhy POV, but are definitely keepers from my POV.

Second looks and second chances can often change perspective on "keepers". Obviously, for the pro, or pro-hobbiest, pro-am, the culling is a little different, but for the majority, take that second look, you never know where you'll find the next photo-gem!

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May 19, 2019 10:48:28   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
I have read all the previous posts and agree that the images worthy of framing and hanging on a wall represent a low percentage of the shots taken. However, there are some shoots that yield a high keeper rate. It all depends on how you feel that particular day. The more relaxed and open you are to the selected environment, perhaps the greater will be that day's keeper rate. As well, certain places inspire the photographer and would result in a higher keeper rate.

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