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May 7, 2019 18:45:45   #
Haydon
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
You are correct, it is not a lightening fast focusing lens, it takes about a second to focus, but, it's used for portraits and is arguably the best portrait lens Canon has ever made. The 85 f/1.8 is a good lens and for someone who's budget prohibits purchasing an 85 f/1.2L, either the original, which I have, or version II, it will do the job and do it well.
The OP did say best portrait lens for Canon.
There are two lenses I mainly use for portraits. On crop bodies I use my EF 28-70 F/2.8L. On Full Frame bodies I use my EF 85 f/1.2L. It's big, takes it's time focusing, and produces the creamiest, smoothest, most complimentary and most bokehlicious portraits of any lens I've ever had the pleasure of using.
People knock the 85 f/1.2L because it doesn't focus fast. It's a portrait lens not a sports lens. The small amount of time it takes to focus is irrelevant, plus, if you know what you're doing you'd have pre-focused anyway and would be using manual focus. The portrait subject(s) are posing. Do you think they can hold still for a few seconds!? I've even used it for infants, I have 6 grandchildren, with spectacular results. There is something magical about that lens that makes it ideal for portraits.
If the OP doesn't want to spend money on some exotic or specialty lens, the lens she already has will work quite well.
You are correct, it is not a lightening fast focus... (show quote)


It will be interesting to see the improvements when the Canon RF 85 1.2L comes out. I'm sure the price on that glass will double the current value of the present EF version. Canon mirrorless glass is crazy expensive.

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May 7, 2019 18:51:40   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Once again, Alan … exemplary coverage of an oft-overlooked area in photography … thanks!!!

But, Alan … a 700mm lens????


What ever it takes to fill the frame with the subject, especially when shooting under uncontrolled conditions.

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May 7, 2019 18:56:18   #
rcarol
 
Haydon wrote:
The 50 mm lens for portrait work always generates interesting opinions. In fact, I have seen virtually word riots on both sides endorsing the lens or vehemently dismissing it's use for close up work. For 1/2 to 3/4 length most agree it's a good match on a crop or full frame camera.

Crop sensor cameras are always the source of fuel for these lively discussions within that focal length. I don't have a clear cut answer for those working within shorter focal lengths other than choosing longer than 50mm. Unfortunately, in tight quarters, you run out of room and the relationship with the photographer and subject is reduced to a long distance phone call using a crop camera and focal lengths 85 mm and above.

Frequently, I've seen Joel Grimes used lenses like the 24-70 almost within minimum focusing distance with minimal distortion. That man knows just the right plane to reduce the exaggerations of body parts.

Here's one photographer who rejects the 50 mm as a portrait lens almost in war-like fashion. I'm not patronizing either side of the camp. Just another perspective to be shared for those interested. I generally use a 85, 100, 135 or a 70-200 but that's on a full frame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG1pN5Vic8E
The 50 mm lens for portrait work always generates ... (show quote)


I watched this video up to the point that it became apparent that he has no idea what he is talking about. First of all, he states something about the 50mm bo being good at all focal lengths. It only has one focal length - 50mm. He makes other statements that show his ignorance of focal length and perspective.

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May 7, 2019 19:10:39   #
Haydon
 
rcarol wrote:
I watched this video up to the point that it became apparent that he has no idea what he is talking about. First of all, he states something about the 50mm bo being good at all focal lengths. It only has one focal length - 50mm. He makes other statements that show his ignorance of focal length and perspective.


He's not the only person that has NOT recommended the 50 mm. You are welcome to your own opinion of course. I merely included the link as a point of interest and not a judgment. Eariler I referred to Joel Grimes using a 24-70 2.8L II at 24 mm at MFD with minimal distortion. It's really up to the person buying to make the decision through many viewpoints. I personally don't use a 50 for portrait. I prefer longer focal lengths. That's a personal choice.

For what it's worth Cazillo partnered with FroKnowsPhoto for a while. They split a number of years ago and went their own way and no, I don't watch the Fro at all. He's on my blocked YT list.

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May 7, 2019 19:59:13   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Canon makes 2 24-105 lenses the L lens is pricey but the non L version gets very good reviews, ans costs a lot less. Something like $500 used. Take a look at it. The classic portrait lens is sabout 100mm for full frame For your crop sensor the 25-105 would fill the bill.

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May 7, 2019 20:07:42   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
boberic wrote:
Canon makes 2 24-105 lenses the L lens is pricey but the non L version gets very good reviews, ans costs a lot less. Something like $500 used. Take a look at it. The classic portrait lens is sabout 100mm for full frame For your crop sensor the 25-105 would fill the bill.


The "rule of thumb" as to the ideal portrait lens has always been approximately 1 and 1/2 times the standard focal length. (from what I was taught in approximately the year of 1950) This applies to all film sizes from 35mm to an 8 x 10 view camera or larger. Going longer is considered acceptable to a point, but can be over done. Going less is not usually recommended. Ultra sharpness is not a serious consideration of quality of a "portrait" lens.

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May 7, 2019 20:15:40   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Great lens but perhaps a bit long in “reach” for a crop sensor... that is pretty high on my list of lenses I want.

Chris T wrote:
Beautiful shot, there, Daniel … just proves the EF 100L Macro - makes a GREAT portrait lens!!!!!

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May 7, 2019 20:22:45   #
Haydon
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Great lens but perhaps a bit long in “reach” for a crop sensor... that is pretty high on my list of lenses I want.


The Canon EF 100mm 2.8L is a great lens Todd. I use it mostly for macro but it does produce beautiful portrait images. It's almost TOO sharp requiring retouching without question and when you have a small studio you're a little too close at 100 mm.

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May 7, 2019 20:23:48   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Thanks for sharing. Do you shoot the 85 1.2 wide open for portrait work? It has a very shallow DOF at short distances to the subject wide open according to DOF calculations.

rmorrison1116 wrote:
You are correct, it is not a lightening fast focusing lens, it takes about a second to focus, but, it's used for portraits and is arguably the best portrait lens Canon has ever made. The 85 f/1.8 is a good lens and for someone who's budget prohibits purchasing an 85 f/1.2L, either the original, which I have, or version II, it will do the job and do it well.
The OP did say best portrait lens for Canon.
There are two lenses I mainly use for portraits. On crop bodies I use my EF 28-70 F/2.8L. On Full Frame bodies I use my EF 85 f/1.2L. It's big, takes it's time focusing, and produces the creamiest, smoothest, most complimentary and most bokehlicious portraits of any lens I've ever had the pleasure of using.
People knock the 85 f/1.2L because it doesn't focus fast. It's a portrait lens not a sports lens. The small amount of time it takes to focus is irrelevant, plus, if you know what you're doing you'd have pre-focused anyway and would be using manual focus. The portrait subject(s) are posing. Do you think they can hold still for a few seconds!? I've even used it for infants, I have 6 grandchildren, with spectacular results. There is something magical about that lens that makes it ideal for portraits.
If the OP doesn't want to spend money on some exotic or specialty lens, the lens she already has will work quite well.
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May 7, 2019 20:50:28   #
rcarol
 
Haydon wrote:
He's not the only person that has NOT recommended the 50 mm. You are welcome to your own opinion of course. I merely included the link as a point of interest and not a judgment. Eariler I referred to Joel Grimes using a 24-70 2.8L II at 24 mm at MFD with minimal distortion. It's really up to the person buying to make the decision through many viewpoints. I personally don't use a 50 for portrait. I prefer longer focal lengths. That's a personal choice.

For what it's worth Cazillo partnered with FroKnowsPhoto for a while. They split a number of years ago and went their own way and no, I don't watch the Fro at all. He's on my blocked YT list.
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What most people don't understand is that perspective and facial distortion is a function of camera to subject distance and not the focal length of the lens. Try this experiment for yourself if you're so inclined. Take a photo of a person FROM THE SAME DISTANCE using a 24mm lens and another using a 50mm lens. Enlarge the image of the 24mm lens to the same size as the image of the 50mm lens and you will see that the facial distortion and the perspective are identical. There may be differences in the quality of the image such as grain, resolution, etc. but the perspecive will be identical.

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May 7, 2019 22:39:14   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
rcarol wrote:
I agree. The 50mm f:1.8 can be had new for about $125 and is very sharp. On the 70D it will have a FOV equivalent to an 80mm lens on a FF camera.


I have to agree considering the Op is using a Canon 70D crop camera. I can't believe those who are recommending a 70-200mm lens considering the crop factor. Before buying any addition lense the OP should experiment with her 18-135mm set at around 50mm. If her 18-135mm is the Nano/USM lens it is a fine lens reasonably sharp.

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May 7, 2019 22:43:21   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Haydon wrote:
He's not the only person that has NOT recommended the 50 mm. You are welcome to your own opinion of course. I merely included the link as a point of interest and not a judgment. Eariler I referred to Joel Grimes using a 24-70 2.8L II at 24 mm at MFD with minimal distortion. It's really up to the person buying to make the decision through many viewpoints. I personally don't use a 50 for portrait. I prefer longer focal lengths. That's a personal choice.

For what it's worth Cazillo partnered with FroKnowsPhoto for a while. They split a number of years ago and went their own way and no, I don't watch the Fro at all. He's on my blocked YT list.
He's not the only person that has NOT recommended ... (show quote)


Remember a 50mm on her crop 70D would be approximately 80mm giving the 50mm lens the longer focal length that you prefer.

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May 7, 2019 23:20:49   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Exemplary or the usual major over kill Alan is notorious for. Sure, why not write a book when a paragraph will do. Since when is portraiture an often overlooked area of photography?! I would expect portraiture is a main area of photography among the grandparent set.
I lost interest way before the 700mm lens part so I have no reference point. Ah, sure, why not. If you are shooting your subject from several hundred feet away, I could see 700mm...


Portraiture isn't overlooked, R … but discussion about the perfect lenses for it - often IS, R …

The point I was making about the "700mm lens" is not so much about USING one, but about questioning who MAKES one, R …

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May 7, 2019 23:33:51   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Thanks for sharing. Do you shoot the 85 1.2 wide open for portrait work? It has a very shallow DOF at short distances to the subject wide open according to DOF calculations.


It depends. There are times when you can get away with wide open but for the most part, the DOF is too shallow. It's not the easiest lens to work with but the results are worth it. I believe part of the magic of that lens is the incredibly shallow DOF. It has the ability to mask unflattering features, to smooth out the rough, to make its subjects look good. That's one of the reasons why it is such a great portrait lens.
If you are shooting something that doesn't require a lot of depth and you want really nice bokeh, the EF 85 f/1.2L can produce amazing results. I've used it at flower shows were the exhibits are beautiful but the backgrounds, not so much. With the shallow DOF the actual exhibits look great and the background is blurred out of recognition.
It's definitely not a utility lens but it's fun to play with.
I bought mine several years ago. Apparently the person who owned it before me didn't take as good of care of their lenses as I do. The lens had a good bit of internal dust so I got it for a really good price. I had the lens professionally cleaned for $100 and it is now as clean as new and worth double what I paid for it, including the cleaning.

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May 7, 2019 23:54:57   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Chris T wrote:
Portraiture isn't overlooked, R … but discussion about the perfect lenses for it - often IS, R …

The point I was making about the "700mm lens" is not so much about USING one, but about questioning who MAKES one, R …


What is the perfect lens for portraits? The original discussion was about the best portrait lens for a 70D. The answer is quite subjective so I went with the best Canon portrait lens approach.
One of my pet peeves is, across the front of most Canon cameras are the letters CANON, yet many people still spell it CANNON, which of course is a type of artillery.
Personally, I've never heard of a native 700mm lens. I don't know if anyone makes such a lens. I can see 700mm from combining a lens and a teleconverter. As for my response to the 700mm lens; I was not meant to be taken seriously. Seriously, a 700mm portrait lens?! Sounds like something AM would come up with.

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