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May 7, 2019 09:18:18   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
I agree with Linda from Maine!

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May 7, 2019 09:19:41   #
boydcrochet
 
The only reason I would use a camera generated jpg is for distribution from the field.

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May 7, 2019 09:25:47   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
There are two reasons I shoot raw +jpeg. Sometimes the jpeg is quite good without further editing and so I have it available for posting and if it is not then the Raw is edited and used. And when I store my images to long term storage (external disk) it's quick and easy to find what I want since the jpeg is always visible while the raw has to be opened in a photo editor.

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May 7, 2019 09:38:56   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Suntouched, if you’re running an older version of Windows, there’s a codec to view your RAW files. Windows 10 already has it.

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May 7, 2019 10:00:11   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
gvarner wrote:
Suntouched, if you’re running an older version of Windows, there’s a codec to view your RAW files. Windows 10 already has it.


Thanks- I'm an Apple user.
From the external disk sometimes I can see a thumbnail of the raw image but often not and so it has to be opened by PS or OnOne or... whereas the jpeg opens immediately via the image viewer.
When the image is on my hard drive then all is good.

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May 7, 2019 10:22:53   #
appealnow Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
I mostly shoot traveling. I shoot JPEG+RAW all the time. I take lots of memory cards and shoot thousands of photos. I don't consider myself an expert. I mostly use the jpeg. Sending photos to others they may not be able to read the RAW images. Plus, I haven't taken the time to really go in and do any extensive post-production, but I have the RAW files if I ever do. I mostly just use some simple programs to enhance contrast, lighten when too dark and crop a little.

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May 7, 2019 10:24:28   #
TRAVLR38 Loc: CENTRAL PA
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
My question is, is there a better quality by selecting Raw only vs Raw +jpeg or jpeg only vs Raw+jpeg?


I will ALWAYS use both Raw and Jpeg when taking pictures of sporting events.
The explanation is a bit lengthy, so have patience.
I shoot Olympus E-M 1ii (but the conditions would be the same with my E-M10ii). I do so because these are lighter and the lenses are smaller, lighter, and cheaper than those on a full frame.
They both have a m4/3 sensor, which is smaller than full frame, of course. This means that with the crop factor, a 2.8 aperture on the Olympus will have a depth of field comparable to f/5.6 on a full frame. (someone please correct me if this is a false assumption.) What this means is that with an f/2.8 lens, I cannot sufficiently defocus the background.
My solution is to use primes, 45mm f/1.8 for basketball, and 75mm f/1.8 for soccer, lacrosse, etc. these will give me (unless I am mistaken, and if so please correct me) the depth of field equivalent of a 2.8 on full frame.
But to get to the point---why use Jpeg as well as Raw?
Because both of these cameras have a digital zoom which doubles the size of the picture (or for purists, it narrows the field of view), but only in Jpeg format. This means that on a m4/3 sensor with the crop factor, the 45mm equals 90mm in raw and 180mm with the digital zoom (on full frame); the 75mm equals 150mm in raw and 300mm in jpeg (again relation to full frame equivalents. With the digital zoom, it appears to double the outside dimension, so that the content is four times as large (2x2=4).
Some of my assumptions about the resizing may not be accurate, and I might lose something from the in camera resizing, but it is clear that the Jpegs have far more resolution than the Raws cropped to the same size.
So, why do I capture Raw images as well? Because when the action comes closer to me, the Jpegs would have me too close to get it all in.
So what I have is a lens with effectively two lengths. This is not as good as having a zoom, of course. But I have a kit which is far lighter and far less expensive than full frame would be. I can carry the camera and lens easily with a wrist strap for several hours. And I am far more mobile and responsive than I would be with bulkier gear.

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May 7, 2019 10:34:00   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
My question is, is there a better quality by selecting Raw only vs Raw +jpeg or jpeg only vs Raw+jpeg?


This does bring up an exposure issue. If shooting raw + JPEG there's no point in exposing to render a wastebasket JPEG. In other words it's fair to assume someone who wants the camera JPEG will prioritize exposure to get a good camera JPEG. As a rule that will produce a raw file that under-utilizes the sensor. In most of our cameras the sensors can tolerate more exposure than the exposure that produces a good JPEG. More exposure = better image quality as long as you don't clip the sensor. In the attached example there's little point to saving the camera JPEG but if the exposure were altered to produce a better JPEG then the raw file would have to be exposed less.The exposure was ideal for the raw file.

Joe



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May 7, 2019 11:14:02   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
suntouched wrote:
Thanks- I'm an Apple user.
From the external disk sometimes I can see a thumbnail of the raw image but often not and so it has to be opened by PS or OnOne or... whereas the jpeg opens immediately via the image viewer.
When the image is on my hard drive then all is good.


I Googled "viewing RAW files on a MAC" and got lots of links. It may be a place to start. Not knowing how IOS and Photos works I couldn’t tell what the solution might be.

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May 7, 2019 11:41:13   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
I usually shoot all raw because I like the quality and control of post processing. This is specially good for dedicated photo trips so that I can use slot two as a backup and not have to worry about missing a shot because my card is full. (I only us 32 mb cards so I don't have all my shots on one card.

Every now and then I know I'm not going to have time to post process before I want to send or post some of my pictures I'll shoot raw + jpeg so I can send the jpegs and then delete them and do the raw shots when I get time.

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May 7, 2019 12:27:30   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
gvarner wrote:
I Googled "viewing RAW files on a MAC" and got lots of links. It may be a place to start. Not knowing how IOS and Photos works I couldn’t tell what the solution might be.


I will check it out- thank you!

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May 7, 2019 12:32:44   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
I have found that on my Nikon d 7500 and Fuji X-T3 the jpegs can be very good if the light is ok. And I use both raw and jpegs because panoramas (Fuji) and other special effects are only recorded in jpeg. So it's kind of nice to have the choice of both images.

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May 7, 2019 12:38:59   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
My question is, is there a better quality by selecting Raw only vs Raw +jpeg or jpeg only vs Raw+jpeg?


The quality of the RAW file is the same. Depending on your system, the RAW file may even have the full JPEG based on your settings embedded in the RAW file. Canon and Nikon both do. Some others only have a half quality JPEG embedded, but since I don't use them, I do not remember which do that. A difference may show up if you are a sports or action photographer dependent on FPS to capture the right moment. In this case doing both will impact your buffer and you may not get a shot you would have gotten if only shooting one format. A lot of photographers in that situation shoot only high quality JPEG to make better use of the buffer.

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May 7, 2019 12:46:26   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
With PS Elements and PS you can open JPEG files "as RAW" and it gives you some of the features of RAW editing but you can’t do white balance and a few other things.

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May 7, 2019 13:08:41   #
sergiohm
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
My question is, is there a better quality by selecting Raw only vs Raw +jpeg or jpeg only vs Raw+jpeg?


You may need to shoot raw plus JPEG if you want to get black-and-white pictures in Camera or if you want to apply the special-effects like film modes.
JPEG is also useful for sharing pictures on the Internet.

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