Kalskag2

These yahoos were exercising their second amendment right to accidentally shoot themselves and innocent bystanders at gun shows. (As Pogo once said, "we have met the enemy, and he is us.")

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/19/accidental-shooting-gun-show/1847879/

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

Five different people shot at three different gun shows (gasp). That's terrible but......

In Chicago there were 513 homicides (or thereabouts) in 2012. This is in a city that has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. You had a better chance of surviving the fighting in Afghanistan last year than strolling thru Chicago. I wonder how many folks die at gun shows every year?

So far this year, as of January 18th, there have been 27 homicides and 94 shootings in Chicago. Eighteen days and already the carnage is rising. In a city with strict gun laws. I think this news from Chicago is far more tragic and telling than 5 accidental shootings at a few gun shows.

I would rather take my chances at a gun show then in the cities in the US that boast of their strict gun laws. That's just my opinion. 8-)

tainkc Loc: Kansas City

The homicides in Chicago were all at gun shows! Lol.

Seriously, when I was in transition to moving to K.C. from Chicago, I was in K.C. when I received a phone call saying my weapons collection had been stolen.

I rushed back home and was dancing with the insurance people when I got a call from the Prospect Heights ( a northwest suburb) police department saying they had all of my weapons. I drove to the police station and some one showed me some asking if I could identify these. Some were rare. I knew them immediately. Then this other cop walks up and says that they were not mine.

I got to tell you something. I knew I was in big trouble here because one of the pistols was a 45 ACP. Stamped on the barrel was "U.S.D.A. #1". I tried to tell the cop That this was indeed mine and that there was only one like it. He told me that I was lying. What a crook. There is no U.S.D.A. #1. I stamped it there myself as a joke. The U.S.D.A. has no guns. Needless to say, I never got my guns back. Fucking cop.

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

Only in the USA would it appear that this is funny, people could have died, amazing

sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL

No Jr1, IT'S NOT FUNNY. Probably only to you it is. To me it is people with guns that have absolutely no training with guns. To leave a round in the chamber is like letting your blind mother-in-law drive you to a fast food business for a snack.

You though Sir always seem to have a bone to pick with Americans. Jealousy will get you nothing but a heart burn and ruin your day. Lighten up.

Sarge69

tainkc Loc: Kansas City

I was making light of the stupidity of the last few days at some gun shows where there were accidental shootings. We in Kansas City are having the same problems as Chicago but in a much smaller scale. The difference being is that on both sides of the state line we have carry & conceal laws. In Overland Park where I live, we have an open carry law. Just like in Chicago, most of the murders are drug and/or gang related. It is very sad and the saddest part is that the restrictive gun laws seem to have no effect.

Oh, and once my wife was pregnant with our first child, I sold all of my remaining weapons. They are all grown and out of the house now and I have no intentions of ever owning another gun but I still insist on having the right to do so.

jadeast Loc: Virginia

I agree with you Sarge with the exception. A gun must be treated as if it always has a round in the chamber, even when you know that there isn't one. I was raised in a home that kept all weapons loaded all the time and they were handled accordingly. If you pointed a gun at someone, it was never accidently, it was because you were planning to use it. The only reason anyone hurts someone else uninentionally with a gun is carelessness and carelessness is not an accident

sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL

Quite right Jade. If you don't understand the danger of a weapon, and respect it, you should not have one.

Sarge69

Gnslngr

I'm sick of this nonsense. Chicago does NOT have strict gun control laws. They were struck down in 2010 by the moronic supreme court.

Gun control does not cause murders, but the fact that Chicago neighbors Indiana (where you can buy guns like candy and gun control is hardly strict) and that all of the Chicago gangs buy their guns there should always be mentioned when some yahoo cites the murder rate in Chicago. Ultimately, by the way, gangs are the result of poverty and the lack of education - not gun control. And the violence that comes from that poverty and lack of education worsens with the access to guns that a lack of gun control gives them.

Gun control doesn't work unless it is universal.
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sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL

What was that in many previous treads about political followers always 'blaming someone else'

Guns don't kill people - PEOPLE kill people. And poverty and living in slums is also not a point to blame is it?

It's the people who want everything but don't really care about working legally for it.

Let's go rob some folks that work tonight and maybe kill them. Or 'Shoot that black MooFoo and take his new jacket - ain't nothing'

Sarge69

Gnslngr

Simplistic, ridiculous and unhelpful. Find a hobby, Sarge.
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sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL

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Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

Nonsense? Chicago banned handguns in the year 1982. Let that sink in for a moment, 1982. The Supreme Court decision was decided on June 28, 2010, effectively overturning the banning of handguns in the city.

So, in all those years, from the handgun ban to the court's decision, here is a result:

"Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect."
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Washington D.C. & Chicago had arguably the strictest gun controls in the nation. Now the handgun ban has been overturned in both places, but they still have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. 8-)

Gnslngr

When the URL you post is to a site completely funded by the gun lobby, you lose all credibility, BMAC. And if you would read the entirety of my post, you'd better see my point. :thumbup:

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

I haven't a clue why you contend that site is funded by a gun lobby. That site gives stats regarding many issues, and appears to be as non-biased as a site can. Here are some more for you, not sure whether they are also funded by gun lobbies, you might know. 8-)

"Chicago followed a similar course. In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared with an 18 percent rise in the entire United States."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban

"Chicago’s 1982 ban faired no better. The forthcoming third edition of “More Guns, Less Crime” shows that in the 17 years after a ban on new handguns went into effect, there were only two years when Chicago’s murder rate was as low as it was in 1982. The Windy City’s murder rate fell relative to America’s other 50 largest cities before the ban and rose relative to them afterward. For example, Chicago’s murder rate went from equaling the average for those other U.S. cities in 1982 to exceeding their average murder rate by 32 percent in 1992. There is no year after the ban that Chicago’s murder rate fared as well relative to other cities as it did in 1982."
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/2/learning-from-the-dc-handgun-ban/

"Chicago Police Department statistics, we are told, reveal that the City's handgun murder rate has actually increased since the ban was enacted and that Chicago residents now face one of the highest murder rates in the country and rates of other violent crimes that exceed the average in comparable cities."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/chicago-gun-ban-axed-afte_n_627773.html

The last entry being from the Huffingtonpost Chicago, probably another gun lobby controlled site.

By the way, rather than a simplistic and disingenuous attack on every source which refutes your opinions, you are welcome to show sources that refute the contents of my quoted sites at anytime. 8-)