fantom Loc: Colorado

Or, are you just afraid to answer regarding Iran's attack on Israel?

Numerous foreign policy experts are urging Israel to deliver a “disproportionate” military response to Iran’s attacks over the weekend and are warning that time is winding down to deal with the Islamic Republic before it becomes a nuclear state.

Part of what is driving the concern from foreign policy and military experts is that Iran has strengthened its relationship with Russia and may soon acquire more advanced military hardware from the Russians that will make it much harder for the U.S., Israel, and Arab allies in the region to counter Iranian threats.

The Washington Post reported on Monday night that top Iranian officials recently attended a VIP tour of Russia’s most advanced military systems and that they are reportedly seeking to acquire Russia’s S-400 missile system, which some military experts claim can shoot down stealth fighter jets.

If Iran were to acquire the S-400, and if it really can shoot down stealth planes, then options could be limited for the U.S. and Israel to deal with Iran’s nuclear program if a situation presented itself where it needed to be destroyed. Iran has rapidly increased their production of enriched uranium — in violation of international law — to the point where they now possess enough nuclear material to build a nuclear weapon with a breakout time of one week.


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Compounding the issue is Iran’s continued work on building a secret underground nuclear facility located south of the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant. The facility potentially could be deep enough that conventional weapons in the U.S. arsenal may not be able to reach it.

Former Trump national security adviser John Bolton said on Sunday that Israel should not respond to Iran’s unprecedented attack — which included a combined more than 300 missiles and drones — with a “proportional” response.

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“The way to reestablish deterrence is not proportional. That’s academic talk,” Bolton said. “The way you establish deterrence is by telling your adversary, if you ever try that again, the price you will pay will be so much higher than any gain you think you can get, you shouldn’t even think about it.”

Bolton said that Israel should go after Iran’s air defenses, military headquarters of the Iranian military and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, and their oil infrastructure.

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“And, most importantly, I think Israel should be looking at this as an opportunity to destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons program, which is the existential threat that Israel faces,” he added. “I don’t know what they will do. I can’t predict it. But I will tell you this. If Joe Biden, as some press reports have it, is urging the Israelis not to retaliate at all, he is an embarrassment to the United States. This is an American interest to make sure that Iran, which is the principal threat to international peace and security in the region, is, at a minimum, put in its place to spare Israel, to spare the Gulf Arabs, to spare us from the threat that they pose.”

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), a non-partisan institution focusing on national security and foreign policy; Brigadier General (Res.) Professor Jacob Nagel, senior fellow at FDD and a former top Israeli official, said on Monday that a “disproportionate” response would be the only thing that Iran understands.

“If Iran walks away from this moment without paying a severe price, Tehran may be emboldened to deploy its weapons again,” they wrote. “And the next time, these drones and missiles may be armed with nuclear or chemical payloads.”

“Israel must now adopt a doctrine of ‘deterrence by punishment’ where it inflicts disproportionate costs on its enemies and focus its response on a few priority targets,” they continued. “The Israeli military could destroy the weapons deployed against them, including unnamed aerial vehicle development and production plants, as well as cruise missile and drone storage facilities inside Iran. Israel could also hit Iranian ports, oil and gas refineries, pipelines, and other infrastructure that finance the regime.”

Dubowitz and Nagel said that the most important target for Israel should be Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

Israel “must now shift to neutralizing Iran’s nuclear scientists and their ability to build an actual weapon,” they wrote. “After this weekend, the threat of a nuclear weapon being deployed from inside Iran toward Israel is a step closer to reality.”

Former British Army Commander Colonel Richard Kemp — who served as chairman of the British government’s Cobra Intelligence Group, responsible for coordinating the work of the national intelligence agencies, including MI5 and MI6 — also argued that a “disproportionate” response was not only warranted, but needed.

“I don’t think Israel should be looking at a proportionate response, I think Israel should be looking at a disproportionate response here,” he said during a media interview on Monday. “Israel should deliver a very, very severe retaliatory attack or series of attacks against Iran. And the reason I say that, it sounds terrible, sounds like war mongering, it isn’t intended to be that. But in this region in particular, only strength is understood.”

“Since Iran carried out this attack over the weekend, it’s been ridiculed around the Arab world for being ineffective for not achieving anything,” he continued. “And that shows the level of contempt that countries around here and players around here have witnessed. So Israel needs to be to deliver something that will not just be a kind of tit for tat, which will again encourage a further response from Iran, it needs to deliver a level of attack, in my view, yeah, that that really does deter Iran from doing the same.”

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

So Israel goes for another massive attack? Before the current one is knocked on the head? What does Jesus say?

fantom Loc: Colorado

You do know the difference between Gaza and Iran don't you?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

As far as direct attacks did not Israel start it by bombing the Iranian embassy in Syria?

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Gaza is war crime/genocide central at the moment? Iran is next?

srg

When we all ingest the nuclear fallout from WWIII, we can take comfort in the fact that Israel chose the most effective punishment while taking the moral high ground.

btbg

No. You forget that Hamas gets their equipment and military orders from Iran. Iran started this with the attack on Israel on Oct. 7.

fantom Loc: Colorado

I don't think some responders to the original post read all of it. Or, they have selective or just poor memories that falsely support their political views.

The best thing in the world that could happen would be for Israel to destroy Iran's nuclear capability. It's incredible that some people don't understand and prefer to live with the ticking time bomb that is Iran's nuke program and proclivities.

btbg

There is no end to some peoples willingness to try to appease tyrants. Meeting force with more force is the only thing that has ever acted as a true deterrent

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Did you not read what I said .
Apparently not

“As far as direct attacks did not Israel start it by bombing the Iranian embassy in Syria?
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Hamas get weapons from Iran Russia and China
Israel Gets weapons from America that have killed thousands of women and children.

Are you keeping s
Count ? If so, you in the wrong side.

So what ?

fantom Loc: Colorado

What you say is only true for the last 15,000 years, or so. Beyond that I don't know, but it seems senile joe's handlers would like to change that and use a knuckle under at all costs policy.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Yeah but what about the Ukrainians? Just play nice and turn the country over to the KGB?

btbg

Hamas did not just get weapons from Hamas. Iranian generals planned the attack and gave the go ahead. That makes it a direct attack. Are you really tjat dense?

btbg

Where did that come from? I think Israel should destroy Iran not us. And neither war would be happening right now without Bidens weak foreign policy.. i dont think we should send money to either until we close our border and take steps to balance our budget.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

So the GOPers are correct in their Trump/Orban 'Bugger Ukraine' imperative to appease Putin? Got it.