Rongnongno Loc: FL

Is there a double standard here?

One can post self-portrait with a penis visible but showing a vagina is deemed obscene by some.

Pray tell, what is the difference? Both are sex organs, nothing more, nothing else.

I do not see the point of showing either. If you allow one but refuse the other, you are wrong.

Pushing the obscenity to its extreme, a naked breast, man or woman is way too sexualized, so both should be banned or both accepted. The hypocrisy over women's breasts is baffling to me.

If you had two cent of sense you would realize

toxdoc42

For my 2 cents. technically, a vagina is an internal organ, not visible to the casual photograph. The female external genital opening or the vaginal orifice, is surrounded by vulva, in some woman, covered by hair. It took decades before Playboy even published any images which showed pubic hair, let alone a shaved pubic area.

Why not everyone be adult. This is supposed to be about photographic ART.

MontanaTrace

This is a forum to promote "photography."

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Wow, Rongnongno you stirred the British legacy puritanical pot. You were referring to labia majora, with some having the internal labia minora extended beyond the majora, not the vagina.

"Pushing the obscenity to its extreme, a naked breast, man or woman is way too sexualized, so both should be banned or both accepted. The hypocrisy over women's breasts is baffling to me." I was a bottle baby and so the gigantic breasts, many as implants, are not my fixation. The feel of implanted ones is not to my liking.

Hustler magazine was not a philosophical magazine like Playboy. Hustler magazine was a photography magazine, using baby oil and lighting to show off the pleasure parts of Larry Flynt's models. He decided to run for President and was shot to keep America pure. The photo below is shown for educational purposes.
https://ojaifilmfestival.com/special-screening-larry-flynt-for-president/

We are in a political period where the "moral police" may take charge of what we can see, discuss, and think. As in "A Clockwork Orange" the moral police were formally the greatest sinners. Surprisingly is that the "Drugies" drank milk they were not praised by the American Dairy Association.

EDUCATIONAL IMAGE

Markag

Double Standards? Really ?
Do we see photos of bodies torn apart from shootings/wars/bombs?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

You are confusing this section with photo journalism. Good luck with that.

You can try posting a naked corpse of someone killed by a bomb?

Markag

As long as it doesn't show the penis or vagina?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Do you understand the initial post in this thread?

Markag

Your opening line was double standard.
I was suggesting not double but multiple standards.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Part of the 'problem' with these discussions is te rehashing of the 'same od, same old'. Which is better a Nikon or a Canon debate. Facts do matter, especially when placed in context. Comparing Playboy with Hustler is that same pointless discussion. Playboy is NOT a magazine, it is a journal. As example for 'journal' there is Scientific American. You can quote from a journal and it has 'weight', while a magazine does no stand to the same scrutiny nor authority.

There exists a legal precedent as regards breasts, men and women have them but the breasts of a human are NOT considered gentiles. If the breast were a gentiles, then Mommy and Daddy could be arrested for exposing their breasts and so their children.

So being top less is ok for both men and women. But the big 'elephant in the room' is with women. Their genitals are interior, unlike males. So big conundrum, women can cover their opening with what ever they like and they are legal. So in public a female wearing what is called a yoni strap is complying legal. Fun fact, a yoni strap is a means to stimulate the clitoris and so is technically an article of clothing that induces sexual response, but it is still a legal cover for a female to wear. (Want more fun? On the outer covers of certain Texas text books as well as inside the the chapters on the Egyptian culture there are illustrations of the yoni strap worn by females). These are NOT reproductions of illustrations (hieroglyphics) from Egypt, these are modern visual illustrations.

In our time, the male genital is ok as long as it is not erect or in some state of erection.

Why all the issues? Simple, you live in a special time unique to human kind. This is the era called Post Photographic Era. It is not yet said but it is vary, vary real. Photography has reshaped man and his culture like nothing before. The world's cultures are being reshaped by the one single change like nothing in the past.

There are huge signifiers to help you understand this impact. When Muybridge did the images of a horse at full run, all four legs off the ground, all over the globe horses were reevaluated. Art was changed, women were bared for a while by men from even being near a horse. This photography stuff is having this monumental impact. It will continue. So do not despair, it is our brave new world, and photography will shake the foundations of man, more than anything that has come previously.

Cloudboy Loc: Orlando, Florida, USA

So it appears I'm one of the few photographers to post male nudity here and I have had some very positive feedback on the images I've posted and a few people who said quite literally "this forum should only be for female nudes". That's exactly what one guy said—indeed, he specified young, pretty, female nudes. I was very surprised in this day and age that in a forum about serious nude or semi-nude photography of the body someone would declare it should only focus on female work and you kind of have to wonder if these guys who said such are really interested in photography or more interested in ogling pretty ladies. Because it sounds like that's all that interests them here, all they wish to see.

Back to the issue of penis vs. vagina, I've seen other photographers here post full frontal female nudes. You are seeing what you'd see if you walked in and the lady was nude. In my work, you see full frontal male nudes. In neither case are you seeing porn or direct suggestion of sexual activity, so I think it's on the same level.

I would hope as long as this form is labeled "Nude Photography, Boudoir Photography, NSFW, Discussions and Pictures" then it allows both female and male and all manner of tasteful erotic photography of adults.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

So would I.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Uh, I don't care, those posts were on one day, so what ? if you do not like it move on. I thought this was an open forum but the morality mouth pieces will always mouth off regardless of the topic section. I say screw'm. Let members post what they want to and the admin can sort out details.
Well that is my opinion.
bruce.

Markag

Agree

Cloudboy Loc: Orlando, Florida, USA

I'm new and may have missed something, but all I know is I was very surprised by the push-back by some people here at my posting male nudes. I have both a BFA and MFA so I've been in plenty of art school critiques at two of the finest art colleges in the nation—SCAD and RISD—and never have I ever heard anyone say nudes should only be one gender and not the other. Surprising if college students would not be immature on such matters that people here—many who appear up in their years—would stoop to that.