DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA

I recently watched a short report that a gov't agency (?EPA?) reporting on climate temperature changes had placed 85% of their thermometers improperly; e.g., on roofs, parking lots, sidewalks, near A/C exhaust outlets, etc. all in city environments. Very few were placed in rural area or in non- city environments. I guess that's one way to manufacture a crisis. What say you, John Kerry?

srt101fan

To the Attic

DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA

Why?

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

Climate change is far more important a subject than worrying about who ends up as US president.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

The Attic is where people go to reinforce the walls of their echo chambers, and for those who prefer verbal abuse to thoughtful conversation.

Re climate change, most people can't be bothered to educate themselves, using a large variety of sources of huge amounts of information that take time and an open mind to digest, of a very complicated subject that affects the entire earth in countless ways.

Your opening proves my point.

TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA

Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana

The green movement needs to scare the general public to sway politicians so as to obtain lucrative federal funds for their movement projects.

jkm757 Loc: San Diego, Ca.

I'd be interested in seeing that report. Do you have a link?

Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington

The measurement of Earth's average temperature is not limited to just the United States. It is monitored at various stations around the world and using other technologies such as satellites and buoys placed in strategic places in our oceans. So even if the report that you cite is accurate, (I have my doubts), it does not negate the fact that the earth's temperature is rising at a rate that is dangerous to ourselves and the rest of the biosphere.

Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington

The general public should be worried because if you haven't noticed the climate is changing and not in a good way. Anyone who is keeping up with the news will have observed that there has been a sharp increase in the frequency and intensity of wildfires, flooding, heatwaves, and other destructive meteorological phenomena such as hurricanes, and tornados. Your assertion that the "Green Movement" needs to scare the public to "Obtain lucrative federal funds" is questionable at best and the product of an unfounded conspiracy theory at its worst. In all probability, the only people making money are those industries that are more interested in maintaining their excessive profits than the welfare of the people. If you want to find out what is true "Follow the money". Climate researchers are not becoming millionaires. On the other hand CEOs of corporations that contribute to the deterioration of the global environment are getting richer every year. That is why they are quite happy to promote denier propaganda.

13 Loc: I am only responsible to what I say..not what

The temps have been rising since the ice-age. That was before the industrial boom of 1890's and be on. Just my 2 cents worth... believe it or not. 😂

Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington

It issue is not so much that temperatures are rising as much as how quickly they have been rising since the Industrial Revolution.

DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA

I am certain that we can measure temperatures. What no one has quantified is what we mere humans can do about it and at what cost. That is the question that politicians studiously avoid. Bullying people into electric cars without the proper infrastructure is one example. And let's not forget that Lithium batteries are under control of countries who are less friendly to the USA. Pushing restaurants to use electric cooking methods when natural gas is plentiful and much less polluting than alternatives is another. The point is what human efforts can actually influence global temperatures? I don't know and neither does anyone else.

btbg

At least the frequency and intensity of wildfires has little or nothing to do with climate change. It has to do with government policy that suppressed fire for 75 years and then in the early 80s to early 90s stopped thinning forests that they had replanted.

Those forests have too many trees per acre, making them susceptible to drought, insects and disease. In addition several of the recent major forest fires were caused by power wires causing sparks when they came in contact with trees, or metal power line towers, all caused by poor maintenance of the power grid.

Those fires would have occurred with or without climate change. As to floods, that is also suspect as one of the main reasons that we are getting so much flood damage is how many people are building in flood plains and a second reason is that we have destroyed wetlands. Once again, nothing directly related to climate change.

Then there is your assertion about hurricanes. If you go back and look at the historical data we are currently having fewer major hurricanes, not more.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

Perhaps you should look at the facts before popping off. Not saying that climate change isn't occurring. Not saying that people might not be causing part of the problem. Just saying that the alarmist rhetoric coming from environmentalists is not supported by facts.

Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington

It is one thing to deny that the climate is changing and another to willy-nilly adopt solutions that potentially are as physically and economically destructive as the problem. The connection between global warming and greenhouse gases is well documented. The research shows that temperatures have risen sharply since the advent of the Industrial Revolution as a result of increased greenhouse gases released due to our activities. On the other hand, as you have pointed out some of the solutions to solving the problem have been misguided and some of the implementations have been wrong-headed and counterproductive. The issue has become overly emotional and too many on both sides have drawn rigid lines in the sand that have led to a lack of reasonableness in the discourse. Sad to say this does not bode well for the future of humankind.