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Jan 27, 2024 09:16:17   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Good luck, all developers care about it MONEY.

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Jan 27, 2024 09:21:21   #
Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA
 
Really nice panorama!

I hope your coalition is successful in stopping the destructive development in an area that should be preserved.

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Jan 27, 2024 09:33:19   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Good luck, Jim. Nice photo, too.

We are having the same problem of sorts here in that big companies are trying to take good, flat, fertile farmland and cover it with solar panels.

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Jan 27, 2024 13:07:33   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Cany143 wrote:
Long story short, a 'developer' is in the process of developing (what several hundreds of Moab residents consider to be a boondoggle of a monstrosity of) a "housing [overnight & weekly rental condos, a gaggle of Tourist-Type Shops, and an assortment of McMansions available for those with a few million to spare] a "development" along the Colorado River. A year or so ago, while out photographing, by chance I met the 'developer' (he'd stopped to question why I'd parked along the county road that runs through the property he planned to develop), and in the conversation that ensued, I offered to assist and/or advise with regard to planning and preservation of the archaeological resources the setting has in abundance. As I might/should have expected at the time, despite calls and emails I subsequently made, I never heard back from the developer.

So yesterday I signed on to volunteer with the coalition who're aimed at limiting (or eliminating) the "development". I did so shortly after going in to 're-shoot' the petroglyph panel shown here.
Long story short, a 'developer' is in the process ... (show quote)


Beautiful image and needful work. Hope you are successful.

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Jan 27, 2024 13:17:15   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
RodeoMan wrote:
I read through the Colorado River Comprehensive Management Plan, not word by word, because it is over 300 pages long. There was some information about cultural resources but not very much relative to total size of the report. There is some on pages 48-51 and then more on page 151. There was not much I could see about the procedures to follow when a cultural artifact is under threat. There was something about the Utah Department of Resources, referred to in the report as Utah Division of Forests, Fire & State Lands (FFSL), supposing to report to the SHPO when a matter regard cultural artifacts came up. There was also an interesting statement that SHPO recommends a new survey if the current one is more than ten years old. There was public comment on the matter. In 2018 it was at the high school where 18 people showed up. In 2019, it was at the Grand Center in Moab where the attendance increased to twenty six. There was also an opportunity for on-line and other forms of comment. The comments were broken down by commentator, general subject of discussion such as jet boats on the river, what the commentator said about the matter and the response of the commission. I looked through the subject of the comments and there was absolutely nothing about the cultural artifacts such as petroglyphs you showed. There was an image of petroglyphs along Potash road.
I wonder how much publicity there was about this comprehensive plan at the time it was being formulated.
If it is like it is around here, everything is done according to procedure, the eyes are dotted and the tees are crossed, all done properly, but quietly and then business as usual. Good luck Jim.
I read through the Colorado River Comprehensive Ma... (show quote)


Thanks for that, Rodeo, but citing portions of the CRCMP misses the point when zoning laws (and restrictions), water and sewer requirements, stresses placed on City and County resources incurred as a result of a 10+% increase in part-time non-residents who neither contribute to the community nor add to the tax base, and a plethora of other potential issues are more the concern. Many of those issues, however, are best left to those with expertise in those fields, whereas I hope to somehow contribute by using my own background and experience in matters of archaeology, cultural matters, research, a working knowledge of aspects of the Antiquities Act, ARPA, NAGPRA, and (hopefully) documentary and/or other sorts of photography. As I see it, though, my first task is to meet and speak with others involved to learn what's already been done --no point in duplicating work-- then determine if, how, and/or what more I might bring to the table.

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Jan 27, 2024 13:43:59   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Cany, what can we do to help the cause?

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Jan 27, 2024 13:56:28   #
vicksart Loc: Novato, CA -earthquake country
 
It would be so wrong to develop this gorgeous area. I hope you can educate people through your wonderful photography.

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Jan 27, 2024 14:02:06   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
AzPicLady wrote:
Cany, what can we do to help the cause?


I don't know quite yet, but when I do I'll let you know.

For the moment, though, you might consider signing the petition against the development. As of Jan 16th County Council Meeting, over 800 Moab residents (pop. is a little over 5000) as well as some 7,000 non-residents had signed, and more have signed since then. Google 'Kane Creek Development Watch', and while you're about it, a fairly comprehensive article on the matter was posted in Moab's Times Independent (newspaper) on Jan 25th, and it's on-line, too.

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Jan 27, 2024 14:10:19   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Cany143 wrote:
I don't know quite yet, but when I do I'll let you know.

For the moment, though, you might consider signing the petition against the development. As of Jan 16th County Council Meeting, over 800 Moab residents (pop. is a little over 5000) as well as some 7,000 non-residents had signed, and more have signed since then. Google 'Kane Creek Development Watch', and while you're about it, a fairly comprehensive article on the matter was posted in Moab's Times Independent (newspaper) on Jan 25th, and it's on-line, too.
I don't know quite yet, but when I do I'll let you... (show quote)


Along this line consider applying the place for National Park status. During consideration period the developer will not be able to do anything to the land. Google it.

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Jan 27, 2024 14:30:29   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Along this line consider applying the place for National Park status. During consideration period the developer will not be able to do anything to the land. Google it.


Though the 'work' is only in its initial stages, enough --or quite possibly TOO much in terms of the in-progress work involved in the displacement and moving of earth-- has already been done, and there's no telling yet until I or someone conceives of and submits --and is granted-- a research permit that grants access to confidential [ARPA regulated] documentation that may (or may not) exist within what would become the 'study area', where subsurface artifacts (or etc.) potentially exist.

National Park designation can only be bestowed by an Act of Congress. A National Monument, on the other hand, can be designated by a president. Either or both is an incredibly lengthy and highly political process. Your idea isn't a bad one, to be sure, but more immediate --and more feasible-- possibilities might exist.

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Jan 27, 2024 15:07:54   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Cany143 wrote:
Though the 'work' is only in its initial stages, enough --or quite possibly TOO much in terms of the in-progress work involved in the displacement and moving of earth-- has already been done, and there's no telling yet until I or someone conceives of and submits --and is granted-- a research permit that grants access to confidential [ARPA regulated] documentation that may (or may not) exist within what would become the 'study area', where subsurface artifacts (or etc.) potentially exist.

National Park designation can only be bestowed by an Act of Congress. A National Monument, on the other hand, can be designated by a president. Either or both is an incredibly lengthy and highly political process. Your idea isn't a bad one, to be sure, but more immediate --and more feasible-- possibilities might exist.
Though the 'work' is only in its initial stages, e... (show quote)


My intent was to stop the work. Your national-level representatives might also be a help as they are the ones who would actually submit the place for consideration. The petroglyphs alone are worth saving.

Developers around here are also ruining the otherwise beautiful countryside. It is disgusting!

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Jan 27, 2024 16:16:26   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
My intent was to stop the work. Your national-level representatives might also be a help as they are the ones who would actually submit the place for consideration. The petroglyphs alone are worth saving.

Developers around here are also ruining the otherwise beautiful countryside. It is disgusting!


Please don't take me wrong, Sinew, but.... I'll have paid the final mortgage payment I'll have to make (on the $6.7 Mil McMansion I want built to my specifications, and in the particular spot I've chosen, up on scenic 'Mastodon Bench' where not only will I be above (some) of the traffic noise, I'll have a sprawling overview of the Mini-Mall the developer is incorporating into his "Kane Creek Massacre & Goat Roping Nightly-Rental Estate Show") before I convince any of my national-level............

Then again.... Don't want run the risk of getting this post tucked up into the Attic for mis-characterizing a Mastodon as being a Bear.


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Jan 27, 2024 16:41:05   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Cany143 wrote:
Please don't take me wrong, Sinew, but.... I'll have paid the final mortgage payment I'll have to make (on the $6.7 Mil McMansion I want built to my specifications, and in the particular spot I've chosen, up on scenic 'Mastodon Bench' where not only will I be above (some) of the traffic noise, I'll have a sprawling overview of the Mini-Mall the developer is incorporating into his "Kane Creek Massacre & Goat Roping Nightly-Rental Estate Show") before I convince any of my national-level............

Then again.... Don't want run the risk of getting this post tucked up into the Attic for mis-characterizing a Mastodon as being a Bear.
Please don't take me wrong, Sinew, but.... I'll ha... (show quote)


Another Outstanding shot! We managed to delay-only-a developer from California. They had completely torn down and bladed over a large, old forest. They messed things up so bad (read cheap) that the county (Kitsap, Western Washington) stopped their project. It took them over two years and many millions to make the proper environmental fixes. Sadly houses are going up as we speak :-(

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Jan 27, 2024 16:53:48   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Along this line consider applying the place for National Park status. During consideration period the developer will not be able to do anything to the land. Google it.


Good ideas. Thx.

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Jan 27, 2024 18:03:18   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Another Outstanding shot! We managed to delay-only-a developer from California. They had completely torn down and bladed over a large, old forest. They messed things up so bad (read cheap) that the county (Kitsap, Western Washington) stopped their project. It took them over two years and many millions to make the proper environmental fixes. Sadly houses are going up as we speak :-(


Yup. What you describe is as Friedrich Nietzsche titled one of his books. "Human, All Too Human". (Disregard the allegations that Fried-ie had... uhh [which should NOT be confused with UHH, because UHH-ville-ers DO NOT have untoward urges that include their sisters [though second cousins might not be entirely out of bounds....] ... 'urges' that included his sister), but apart from that, some of his stuff might make the average developer think a bit.)

But about these houses that're going up. Are they nice? And was anybody able to make a killing off the sale --or the purchase?-- of those pesky "trees" that stood in the way of progress? Is that not what's important in the greater scheme of things?

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