rwoodvira

I will preface this by saying the usual dialogue that if you dislike Trump, you must love Biden. That just isn’t so. Many of us, particularly those who have dealings directly or indirectly, held their nose when voting against Trump in the 2020 election. It is the profound hope of many of us that both parties come up with someone new, that isn’t as old as Trump and Biden, and is looking forward rather than backward.

I’ve been pretty candid on why I dislike Trump. He left a swath of destruction of people’s lives in Atlantic City, plus his fake charity, and fake University. But that’s my reasons. There have been a lot of complaints in this forum on him being charged but not convicted, with the very American idea of being innocent until proven guilty. But that ignores the question of qualification. What I’d like to address is the seemingly overwhelming concern of key people that worked with him; not just people that are complainers, but the credible dialogue of people that worked with Trump, who have been threatened, career paths altered and so on.

On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, three women that were in responsible positions at the White House gave their thoughts on candidate Trump and it’s not pretty:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-trump-white-house-insiders-call-2nd-term/story?id=105998679

John Kelly (former Chief of Staff) and James Mattis(former Defense Secretery)were well thought of generals that have also given their views. Here’s some of Kelly’s comments:
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/521507-john-kelly-called-trump-the-most-flawed-person-hes-ever-met-report/
“The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,” Kelly has told friends, the outlet reported.

Some of the above were also quoted in the following article:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-matters/index.html

Twenty-four major insiders all saying the same thing, electing Trump to a second term is a mistake.

Another issue that has been discussed in this forum, was Trump’s mastery of Foreign Policy.
Here’s a direct quote from the very conservative John Boulton:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/16/donald-trump-fool-world-leaders-00097103

“I have been in those rooms with him when he met with those leaders, I believe they think he’s a laughing fool. And the idea that somehow his presence in office would have deterred Putin is flatly wrong,” he said on CNN Tuesday morning, naming the Russian, Chinese and North Korean leaders in particular.

NBC recently contacted a number of former associates of the Trump administration and only four were supportive:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-cabinet-endorsements-rcna96648

Those backing Trump's bid for another term include former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker; Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff (currently under indictment in GA); former budget chief Russell Vought; and former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell, who in June tweeted "Trump 2024" above a tweet from Trump's main GOP rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

If it were only few, I would say, that’s normal; but for all of these people to either avoid support or come out after working with Trump to say it is a very bad idea to support Trump second term should give one pause and seek an alternative.

My 2 cents.

btbg

That's fine, but what's the alternative. Trump is up 50 percent in the latest Republican primary polls, so there is no alternative there. Biden is still the only candidate on the Democrat side, and that's clearly worse policy wise than Trump, so what alternative would you suggest?

jcboy3

Trump is pro-Russia and anti-Nato and that's just a big no.

Trump keeps lying about the 2020 election, and that's just a big no.

btbg

Viden has enricjed hos entire family by sellimg influemce and thats a big mo.

Tjere is np proof tjat Trump is pro Russia but tjere is plenty of evidence tjat the Biden family is part of the corruption on Ukraine.

Trump is not anti Nato. He is anti the U.S. paying tje whole bill and otjers not payimg their promised amount. I happen to agree with that.

Also Biden clearly is mentally impaired. That is a big no. For every anti Trump thing you cla there is plenty of even bigger reaspns to not vote for Biden.

As to the 2020 election are you claimong that the FBI colliding with big tech and telling the press that Hunters laptop was disinformation didnt influence the election. Was there fraud in the traditional sense? No but you had the above problems plus the illegal changes to election law based on the excuse of covid. So the election was certainly influenced in Bidens favor.

Both candidates are flawed but its not even close which is worse.

jcboy3

Very funny. Did you have monkeys type that for you?

Yes, it's not even close. Trump is the worst candidate, probably in US history.

btbg

Seriously do you think it was ok for the fbi to collude with big tech or for them to tell the press that the laptop was disinformation? Because those statements are absolutely provable.

Same thing are you serious that the you arent concerned by the Biden fily influence peddaling?

Or that Biden is cognatively impaired. My father in law was more lucid than Joe when he was put in a mental care facility.

You claim Trump is the worst candidate ever. Does it not concern you that we have a president who is having decisions made for him by unknown unelected individuals. And you think Trump is a problem.

As to my typing I am on my phone and dont have my glasses so if there are typos thats why, but if you are asking if monkeys did the typing because of the vontent of my post perhaps you should pay attention to the evidenve which simply stated is Biden is an incompetent crook who is noe also senile. Great candidate.

jcboy3

"Biden fily".

I've heard of filly, but didn't realize Biden was into horses.

Trump is a crook. Worse than Nixon. But Republicans had spine, and opposed Nixon. Today, Republicans are wimpy wanna-be fascists.

I don't like Republicans, because all they seem concerned about is limiting personal freedom.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

and your boy slojoe is Pro China..even worse

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Did you miss the first couple sentences of the initial post?

jcboy3

I have not heard that Biden is willing to sell out Taiwan.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

Wait til the money is right..he would sell out Jill for enough bucks

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

No

jcboy3

Well, that's a proposition. Trump has a thing for Putin, and that is a fact.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

A fact ??? Doubt you havz any proof other than left wing rhetoric...and actuallt I could care less..I dont like trump, Joe, or Putin

jcboy3

Oh, come on. You just have to look at what he says about Putin.