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Dec 19, 2023 17:59:00   #
veralisa296 Loc: New Jersey
 
magnetoman wrote:
Some of you may recall that I collect old negatives. These are the images I make an exception for regards my rule of not playing with other folks images. This is one I particularly like as paddle steamers were once a common sight around the bit of coast close to our home. At Lulworth Cove passengers originally had to disembark into small boats and were then rowed ashore. Later the hulls were reinforced so that the paddle steamer could simply ram the shore and drop a gangway that allowed passengers to trip their way down onto terra firma. The image here is unlikely to be Lulworth, or anywhere local, as I am unable to identify the boat at the moment. Nevertheless, the detail of unloading passengers is very thoroughly shown and the passengers look wonderfully 'turn of century' in their Sunday Best, soI would like to make a decent effort to restore it. The big question is, how far to go? Replacing the sea and sky is, I reckon, the only way forward as the deterioration of the emulsion is so bad, and is not a difficult task. I haven't used any of the newer selection tools in Ps to do it, just a simple selection of the key elements. I could leave it at that (after I restore the missing lady in the bottom right boat to her rightful place) but I would like some better detail on both the steamer and the small boats - but I don't know that I have the patience. What would you do, and have you got any ideas as to how to go about it?
Some of you may recall that I collect old negative... (show quote)


This is an extraordiary image of an artist, like yourself, who knows what they're doing when replacing pieces and bits of a photographic image! You did a great job!

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Dec 20, 2023 05:41:19   #
magnetoman Loc: Purbeck, Dorset, UK
 
veralisa296 wrote:
This is an extraordiary image of an artist, like yourself, who knows what they're doing when replacing pieces and bits of a photographic image! You did a great job!


Thank you Veronica, you’re very kind. There’s a bit to do yet though. I like the image a lot and can imagine the photographer setting up on the beach with his mahogany tripod and plate camera - I’m glad he took the trouble.

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Dec 20, 2023 08:26:36   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 

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Dec 20, 2023 08:28:19   #
magnetoman Loc: Purbeck, Dorset, UK
 
jaymatt wrote:


👍 Cheers John.

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Dec 20, 2023 13:57:05   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
I think you need a "Mission Statement" before you go much farther. Is it your intent to restore this picture to its former glory or to keep the impression of a 100 year old picture that was well cared for and just feeling its age. So far I think you have the option of choosing either direction but the tipping point is coming soon and your skills and patience allow you to go either direction. My choice would be to go with the 100 year old but well cared for look. What ever direction you take the important thing is to have fun and keep us posted.

P.S. Some contrast and dehaze makes it an easier image to work on. I tried some Generative Fill on some locations on the ship's hull and it worked reasonably well.

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Dec 20, 2023 14:30:18   #
magnetoman Loc: Purbeck, Dorset, UK
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I think you need a "Mission Statement" before you go much farther. Is it your intent to restore this picture to its former glory or to keep the impression of a 100 year old picture that was well cared for and just feeling its age. So far I think you have the option of choosing either direction but the tipping point is coming soon and your skills and patience allow you to go either direction. My choice would be to go with the 100 year old but well cared for look. What ever direction you take the important thing is to have fun and keep us posted.

P.S. Some contrast and dehaze makes it an easier image to work on. I tried some Generative Fill on some locations on the ship's hull and it worked reasonably well.
I think you need a "Mission Statement" b... (show quote)


I’d like to see it as was first intended Jack, or something near, so that will be my initial aim. It strikes me that an aged look of a good image is easier to achieve than a part-restoration trying to maintain that look, so maybe that could follow.
I too have tried one or two ideas on small areas but ended up thinking cloning was the way forward. Of course, I’m also attacking a couple of unrelated composite projects so priority changes are likely! It’s a mighty long time ago that I first fiddled with the steamer. I’ll try the contrast/dehaze routes you mention. Thanks for that. I’ll post it again when there’s something worth commenting upon.

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Dec 22, 2023 16:12:15   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
magnetoman wrote:
Some of you may recall that I collect old negatives. These are the images I make an exception for regards my rule of not playing with other folks images. This is one I particularly like as paddle steamers were once a common sight around the bit of coast close to our home. At Lulworth Cove passengers originally had to disembark into small boats and were then rowed ashore. Later the hulls were reinforced so that the paddle steamer could simply ram the shore and drop a gangway that allowed passengers to trip their way down onto terra firma. The image here is unlikely to be Lulworth, or anywhere local, as I am unable to identify the boat at the moment. Nevertheless, the detail of unloading passengers is very thoroughly shown and the passengers look wonderfully 'turn of century' in their Sunday Best, soI would like to make a decent effort to restore it. The big question is, how far to go? Replacing the sea and sky is, I reckon, the only way forward as the deterioration of the emulsion is so bad, and is not a difficult task. I haven't used any of the newer selection tools in Ps to do it, just a simple selection of the key elements. I could leave it at that (after I restore the missing lady in the bottom right boat to her rightful place) but I would like some better detail on both the steamer and the small boats - but I don't know that I have the patience. What would you do, and have you got any ideas as to how to go about it?
Some of you may recall that I collect old negative... (show quote)


I like it the way it is. It is a very big improvement over the original. I think the image would look better with some more contrast; but that might not be in keeping with how negatives of the time looked. I just don't have any experience in this area to offer any useful advice.
Erich

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Dec 22, 2023 18:12:13   #
magnetoman Loc: Purbeck, Dorset, UK
 
ebrunner wrote:
I like it the way it is. It is a very big improvement over the original. I think the image would look better with some more contrast; but that might not be in keeping with how negatives of the time looked. I just don't have any experience in this area to offer any useful advice.
Erich


Thanks Erich. I think it definitely needs more contrast, more like the original scan.

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