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Nov 4, 2023 11:26:33   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 


How do you find a decimal measurement on a tape measure? 64ths is pretty small for most tapes, however I've never seen a tape with decimal measurements.

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Nov 4, 2023 11:31:37   #
BebuLamar
 
alberio wrote:
How do you find a decimal measurement on a tape measure? 64ths is pretty small for most tapes, however I've never seen a tape with decimal measurements.


Tape measures aren't meant for precision measurements so they are only marked down to 1mm for the metric part if there is. I only have seen tape measure down to 1/32nd of an inch.
I have never seen tape measure marked in decimal inches although it's quite common on precision scale.

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Nov 4, 2023 11:44:08   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well 23/64th of an inch is 0.359375 inch. That's easy just a division however if the question is how to express 0.359375 in fraction with the lowest terms. It's not so easy.

'cept rulers/tapes in the US are not marked in tenths of inches.....
Converting to decimal inches just makes it more difficult to work with.

Like speed in furlongs per fortnight.

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Nov 4, 2023 11:44:35   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Tape measures aren't meant for precision measurements so they are only marked down to 1mm for the metric part if there is. I only have seen tape measure down to 1/32nd of an inch.
I have never seen tape measure marked in decimal inches althought it's quite common on precision scale.


Digital only in electronic measurement that I know of. Your right about the precision part. My digital micrometer is much easier to understand than the old school one. I have learned 10mm isn't 3/8" but I can substitute an 11mm wrench for a 7/16" and a 14mm for a 9/16" and a 8mm for a 5/16". 15mm is what domestic autos commonly use and 12mm is used by the Asians.

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Nov 4, 2023 11:50:01   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
'cept rulers/tapes in the US are not marked in tenths of inches.....
Converting to decimal inches just makes it more difficult to work with.

Like speed in furlongs per fortnight.


I have a 12 inch and an 18 inch ruler that are marked in 1/10th and 1/100th of an inch.

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Nov 4, 2023 11:54:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I have a 12 inch and an 18 inch ruler that are marked in 1/10th and 1/100th of an inch.

Yup, I have a 6" scale, but five others are only 16ths. Also have a 6" metric scale.
Not all measuring sticks are created equal.

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Nov 4, 2023 12:14:52   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
I have a Japanese motorcycle. The shop manual measurements are all in metric. When I overhauled the engine I set my vernier caliper to metric and went on with my business. The only time I had to get out the calculator was when I used my old SAE micrometers. No big deal, you do what you need to do. Most new cars and other new stuff are metric while the old stuff is SAE. So changing to the metric system wouldn’t change anything, no different than when I convert metric to English measurements. I already have English and metric wrenches and sockets in addition to Whitworth, which is used on the English built Perkins engine in my tractor. (Whitworth is 17/32, 19/32, etc). So other than Chinese factories needing double the tooling, the US switching to metric would change nothing other than having to change every speed limit and distance sign in the entire country, a huge financial cost to get absolutely nothing in return. No different than every Chinese having to learn to write in English with the net result being a lot of money spent, a lot of frustration and absolutely nothing to gain.

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Nov 4, 2023 12:19:20   #
BebuLamar
 
Do they make the Crecent wrench in metric or SAE?

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Nov 4, 2023 12:53:06   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
I have a Japanese motorcycle. The shop manual measurements are all in metric. When I overhauled the engine I set my vernier caliper to metric and went on with my business. The only time I had to get out the calculator was when I used my old SAE micrometers. No big deal, you do what you need to do. Most new cars and other new stuff are metric while the old stuff is SAE. So changing to the metric system wouldn’t change anything, no different than when I convert metric to English measurements. I already have English and metric wrenches and sockets in addition to Whitworth, which is used on the English built Perkins engine in my tractor. (Whitworth is 17/32, 19/32, etc). So other than Chinese factories needing double the tooling, the US switching to metric would change nothing other than having to change every speed limit and distance sign in the entire country, a huge financial cost to get absolutely nothing in return. No different than every Chinese having to learn to write in English with the net result being a lot of money spent, a lot of frustration and absolutely nothing to gain.
I have a Japanese motorcycle. The shop manual meas... (show quote)


Going back even further, you would have needed a set of Whitworth tools to work on English cars from the 1950s. I have a set of wrenches and sockets that I'll never use, but I'm keeping them - just in case.

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Nov 4, 2023 14:36:42   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a guy in England working on a project last night. He'd take out his tape measure, "145." "237." "118." Not once did he have to hesitate and say "4' 3 and 5/6," Or, "2' 8 and 3/16." All the measurements were fast and accurate.

I have tape measures with both inches and mm, and I often find it faster and more accurate to use the metric scale. The US will never switch completely to metric because of cost. As a result, we are stuck using two systems - with two set of tools required. I once had to remove the front bumper from a Buick. Exactly half the bolts were SAE and half were metric. I wonder if that was done on purpose to keep toolmakers happy.
I watched a guy in England working on a project la... (show quote)


I use both measurement systems all the time. Except for cooking where I use all the old school measures. For photography it has been for many decades a mixture of "English" and "Metric". For most science "things" I personally use metric including mm for my Seashells. Maps, driving, geography I like most Americans use "English". Interesting that the UK dropped "English Measurements" some time ago, 1960s? There are exceptions and confusion every where with this. Some foreign food labels are strange, giving heat or food energy in joules instead of calories. Both are considered metric. Kilo-joules are commonly used by Engineers and Physicists, Kilo-calories are commonly used by Chemists, Biologists, and the Medical Sciences. Electronics & Electrical fields usually use Watts. Mass, Weight, Energy, Force, Work, it all gets worse. . .

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Nov 4, 2023 16:36:59   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
And then you have the reverse. A country like China was metric but with all the stuff they make for export to this country, they have had to change to SAE tooling to produce items like nuts, bolts, pipe fittings, drill bits, saw blades and on and on.


Tuff S##T for China

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Nov 4, 2023 16:46:37   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Do they make the Crecent wrench in metric or SAE?


Haha, both. My Snap On says 300mm on one side and 12" on the other.


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Nov 4, 2023 17:55:05   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
My buddy has a ‘74 Norton motorcycle, built when England was in the process of converting over. It had a mixture of SAE, metric and Whitworth fasteners. He needed three sets of tools.

Joules are a quantity-time measure. The difference between watts and Joules is similar to the different between gallons and gallons per minute.

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Nov 4, 2023 18:50:52   #
BebuLamar
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
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Joules are a quantity-time measure. The difference between watts and Joules is similar to the different between gallons and gallons per minute.


Watt is Joules per second.

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Nov 4, 2023 19:26:45   #
jinx
 
BebuLamar wrote:
What's the standard for Chinese inch? The standard for US inch is 25.4mm (oh yeah the inch has been redefined in metric measurement).


One Chinese inch is 33.33 mm.

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