Army Reserve and Maine Sherriff knew: The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department knew of a reservist’s deteriorating mental health five months before he carried out America’s...

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department knew of a reservist’s deteriorating mental health five months before he carried out America’s deadliest mass shooting this year, and did nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/us/police-maine-shooting-gunman.html

"The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department were aware of a reservist’s deteriorating mental health more than five months before he killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine, according to records released on Monday. Just six weeks ago, the records show, he had grown increasingly paranoid, punched a friend and said he was going to carry out a shooting spree.

But there is no indication in the documents that any law enforcement officials ever made contact with the reservist, Robert R. Card II, 40, who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in America this year and set off a two-day manhunt before he was found dead."

Fortunately, no one interfered with his 2nd Amendment rights.

pendennis

Frank T wrote:

The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department ... (show quote)

And those agencies would have had to go to court to obtain a civil abridgement of the murderer's 2nd, 4th, 5th, 14th, etc., Amendments rights. And since he had not committed a misdemeanor or felony involving a firearm, there's nothing to allow his firearms to be seized legally.

This is no "news". It happens all the time. Folks who need mental treatment or commitment have to be taken to court to get any necessary judgements by the courts. The process is expensive and painfully slow. The respondent/defendant has to have counsel. Hearings have to be scheduled on already crowded court dockets.

You're all for abridging everyone's rights without due process, regardless the reason.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

pendennis wrote:

And those agencies would have had to go to court t... (show quote)

They don't need any legal document to talk to him unless he invokes his rights not to talk. I have no idea if it would have accomplished anything, but I don't see what it could have hurt. It might have saved lives.

pendennis

thom w wrote:

They don't need any legal document to talk to him unless he invokes his rights not to talk. I have no idea if it would have accomplished anything, but I don't see what it could have hurt. It might have saved lives.

And the murderer had the right not to discuss this with his bosses.

However, since he had displayed improper behavior while on Army Reserve active duty, the Army has the right to place him in involuntary control under the provisions of the UCMJ, and he can be examined by their doctors as a matter of course. However, as with most people with these outbursts, the authorities tend to give the person the "benefit of the doubt".

PS - I don't disagree with you, and whatever steps short of incarceration could have been taken may have worked. However, I believe this murderer was too far down the road.

FrumCA

pendennis wrote:

And those agencies would have had to go to court t... (show quote)

FrumCA

Frank T wrote:

The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department ... (show quote)

"The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department knew of a reservist’s deteriorating mental health five months before he carried out America’s deadliest mass shooting this year, and did nothing." What would you have done genius??

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

FrumCA wrote:

"The Army Reserve and a Maine sheriff’s department knew of a reservist’s deteriorating mental health five months before he carried out America’s deadliest mass shooting this year, and did nothing." What would you have done genius??

Well maybe actually did my job of "To Protect and Serve"?
Why not start with an interview of the subject and his/her family and friends.
Just the mere fact that someone was reaching out to him may have altered the course of history.
I understand people like you would probably just wring their hands and pray to Jesus, but that's just not my wheelhouse.

FrumCA

Frank T wrote:

Well maybe actually did my job of "To Protect and Serve"?
Why not start with an interview of the subject and his/her family and friends.
Just the mere fact that someone was reaching out to him may have altered the course of history.
I understand people like you would probably just wring their hands and pray to Jesus, but that's just not my wheelhouse.

Ah Ha. Another knee-jerk reaction. Evidently you didn't digest or comprehend the contents of the source you posted. Go back and read it and then try again.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

but its OK for frank,obviously compromised, and has claimed to have spent THOUSANDS OF HOURS at the range, a small town wannabe Longmire sheriff in multiple states,to own guns?? SMH hypocrite much???

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

wilpharm wrote:

but its OK for frank,obviously compromised, and has claimed to have spent THOUSANDS OF HOURS at the range, a small town wannabe Longmire sheriff in multiple states,to own guns?? SMH hypocrite much???

Anytime you can make a meaningful post, please go right ahead.
The fact that you doubt my statements about where I was a police officer means diddly squat to me as I consider the source.
BTW - I had to look up what Longmire was. Maybe you should watch less TV and start reading books.
And, yes, thanks to George W Bush and HR-218, The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, I can conceal carry a firearm in all 50 states. If that bothers you, well TFB, but remember GWB was a Republican, so you should support it based on that alone.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

Frank T wrote:

Anytime you can make a meaningful post, please go ... (show quote)

of course it matters or you would not have replied..YOur are a proven liar..your Longmire hat Pink??

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

wilpharm wrote:

of course it matters or you would not have replied..YOur are a proven liar..your Longmire hat Pink??

Remind me, because I forget, Have you ever contributed any thing here?

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

thom w wrote:

Remind me, because I forget, Have you ever contributed any thing here?

and you, thom..what is your ONLY contribution, except SNARK of course..BTW are you keeping score??

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

wilpharm wrote:

and you, thom..what is your ONLY contribution, except SNARK of course..BTW are you keeping score??

It's not even like you have a point of view. You just insult and sit on Dennis leg so he can say we wenn otherwise it would just be him. Near as I can tell you serve no useful purpose here, and likely no where else either. Have a nice evening.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

wilpharm wrote:

and you, thom..what is your ONLY contribution, except SNARK of course..BTW are you keeping score??

Why is it that when these far-right Republicans post remarks

about the left not contributing except for snark remarks it

always appears they are talking about themselves.