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Oct 27, 2023 19:47:09   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flash for wildlife (bird) photography. Lots of cool new stuff to learn.
I'm sorry I didn't do this sooner the results are, IMO, Outstanding.

Based on what I have read and watched I will be working the flash, most of the time, in Manual- High Speed Sync Mode.
The purpose of the flash in this use case is for a fit of fill as well as to give the birds colors and feather pat e runs a bit of a bump.
(I would post a sample of a couple of my first experiments but that would cause this post to be moved to the Bird Sub-caragoty and I'm really looking for some guidance vs sharing an image)

I'm shooting a Canon 7d mk2 in manual with a Canon EX58011 flash as mentioned above set to Manual-HSS.
I'm controlling flash output and flash zoom manually.

For those who might ask why Manual-HSS. For me- at this point in time- I shoot fully manual with shutters speeds well above the max 1/250 sec sync speed. I may give E-ttr a try but for now aim staying fully manual.

This afternoon as the light was fading I needed increase my camera exposure for the background and subject while reducing the flash power. This requires me to adjust the exposure on my camera and change the flash output on the flash head itself.
It is my understanding that in some cases a Canon EOS and a Canon Flash will work togeather enough so that the flash adjustments can be made through the camera body controls. (So there is no reason to physicly touch the flash head)
I have been through the 7d11 and 580ex11 manuals and I don't understand how to make this level of of control work.

Before I go back and pick the manuals apart again I want to ask the UHH members IF the 7d11 and 580ex11 will work together to allow me to control the manual flash adjustments through my camera body controls.

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Oct 28, 2023 08:36:36   #
agillot
 
The better beamer add on , nearly triple the flash output , great for birds in dark light .

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Oct 28, 2023 09:24:12   #
jcboy3
 
WDCash wrote:
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flash for wildlife (bird) photography. Lots of cool new stuff to learn.
I'm sorry I didn't do this sooner the results are, IMO, Outstanding.

Based on what I have read and watched I will be working the flash, most of the time, in Manual- High Speed Sync Mode.
The purpose of the flash in this use case is for a fit of fill as well as to give the birds colors and feather pat e runs a bit of a bump.
(I would post a sample of a couple of my first experiments but that would cause this post to be moved to the Bird Sub-caragoty and I'm really looking for some guidance vs sharing an image)

I'm shooting a Canon 7d mk2 in manual with a Canon EX58011 flash as mentioned above set to Manual-HSS.
I'm controlling flash output and flash zoom manually.

For those who might ask why Manual-HSS. For me- at this point in time- I shoot fully manual with shutters speeds well above the max 1/250 sec sync speed. I may give E-ttr a try but for now aim staying fully manual.

This afternoon as the light was fading I needed increase my camera exposure for the background and subject while reducing the flash power. This requires me to adjust the exposure on my camera and change the flash output on the flash head itself.
It is my understanding that in some cases a Canon EOS and a Canon Flash will work togeather enough so that the flash adjustments can be made through the camera body controls. (So there is no reason to physicly touch the flash head)
I have been through the 7d11 and 580ex11 manuals and I don't understand how to make this level of of control work.

Before I go back and pick the manuals apart again I want to ask the UHH members IF the 7d11 and 580ex11 will work together to allow me to control the manual flash adjustments through my camera body controls.
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flas... (show quote)


Did you try pressing the flash button on the camera?

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Oct 28, 2023 10:44:26   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
agillot wrote:
The better beamer add on , nearly triple the flash output , great for birds in dark light .



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Oct 28, 2023 10:47:40   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
I have done it a couple of times on camera & depending which way the bird is facing the eyes look a little alien like. Animal red eye or animal blue eye. I think raising the camera up even just a little or to the side some prevents this. Have fun.

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Oct 28, 2023 11:19:08   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
tcthome wrote:
I have done it a couple of times on camera & depending which way the bird is facing the eyes look a little alien like. Animal red eye or animal blue eye. I think raising the camera up even just a little or to the side some prevents this. Have fun.


Raising the flash or moving it to the side on a bracket works better for red eye, which is easy to retouch any way.

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Oct 28, 2023 11:50:58   #
williejoha
 
I only owned the D7 II for a very short time but seem to remember that you have to activate the function in camera menu.
WJH

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Oct 28, 2023 12:06:56   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I don't believe that putting in bird pictures here will cause this to be moved to the bird section. The context is clear. People include pictures in this section all the time to help illustrate a point.

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Oct 28, 2023 12:31:25   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
WDCash wrote:
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flash for wildlife (bird) photography. Lots of cool new stuff to learn.
I'm sorry I didn't do this sooner the results are, IMO, Outstanding.

Based on what I have read and watched I will be working the flash, most of the time, in Manual- High Speed Sync Mode.
The purpose of the flash in this use case is for a fit of fill as well as to give the birds colors and feather pat e runs a bit of a bump.
(I would post a sample of a couple of my first experiments but that would cause this post to be moved to the Bird Sub-caragoty and I'm really looking for some guidance vs sharing an image)

I'm shooting a Canon 7d mk2 in manual with a Canon EX58011 flash as mentioned above set to Manual-HSS.
I'm controlling flash output and flash zoom manually.

For those who might ask why Manual-HSS. For me- at this point in time- I shoot fully manual with shutters speeds well above the max 1/250 sec sync speed. I may give E-ttr a try but for now aim staying fully manual.

This afternoon as the light was fading I needed increase my camera exposure for the background and subject while reducing the flash power. This requires me to adjust the exposure on my camera and change the flash output on the flash head itself.
It is my understanding that in some cases a Canon EOS and a Canon Flash will work togeather enough so that the flash adjustments can be made through the camera body controls. (So there is no reason to physicly touch the flash head)
I have been through the 7d11 and 580ex11 manuals and I don't understand how to make this level of of control work.

Before I go back and pick the manuals apart again I want to ask the UHH members IF the 7d11 and 580ex11 will work together to allow me to control the manual flash adjustments through my camera body controls.
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flas... (show quote)


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Are you shooting with on-camera flash or with off-camera flash? With your camera and flash both in manual, once you have your initial setup you should not need to change anything except your shutter speed to correct for your background changing. If you change your aperture or ISO then you would need to modify your flash power to compensate. As long as your flash to subject distance doesn't change your flash should be good.

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Oct 28, 2023 13:19:55   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
WDCash wrote:
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flash for wildlife (bird) photography. Lots of cool new stuff to learn.
I'm sorry I didn't do this sooner the results are, IMO, Outstanding.

Based on what I have read and watched I will be working the flash, most of the time, in Manual- High Speed Sync Mode.
The purpose of the flash in this use case is for a fit of fill as well as to give the birds colors and feather pat e runs a bit of a bump.
(I would post a sample of a couple of my first experiments but that would cause this post to be moved to the Bird Sub-caragoty and I'm really looking for some guidance vs sharing an image)

I'm shooting a Canon 7d mk2 in manual with a Canon EX58011 flash as mentioned above set to Manual-HSS.
I'm controlling flash output and flash zoom manually.

For those who might ask why Manual-HSS. For me- at this point in time- I shoot fully manual with shutters speeds well above the max 1/250 sec sync speed. I may give E-ttr a try but for now aim staying fully manual.

This afternoon as the light was fading I needed increase my camera exposure for the background and subject while reducing the flash power. This requires me to adjust the exposure on my camera and change the flash output on the flash head itself.
It is my understanding that in some cases a Canon EOS and a Canon Flash will work togeather enough so that the flash adjustments can be made through the camera body controls. (So there is no reason to physicly touch the flash head)
I have been through the 7d11 and 580ex11 manuals and I don't understand how to make this level of of control work.

Before I go back and pick the manuals apart again I want to ask the UHH members IF the 7d11 and 580ex11 will work together to allow me to control the manual flash adjustments through my camera body controls.
I just started, yesterday, experimenting with flas... (show quote)


Shoot in manual exposure on the camera and manual controls on the flash. Then, you can adjust the two independently. Usually, you'll decide what you want your camera exposure to be. And then, you experiment with the flash to find the exact level of light output to 'light' the scene based on your camera exposure settings. I didn't follow the question exactly, but as someone else noted, you may need to enable some of the 'flash parameters' via the EOS 7DII menus. The User Manual on the camera does explain what each menu option is intended to control. Consider if one of these options, if it needs to go off / on, should be added to your custom user menu on the camera.

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Oct 28, 2023 13:24:20   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Thanks for the subject. It made me research how to set my camera for HSS!

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Oct 28, 2023 16:10:14   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
williejoha wrote:
I only owned the D7 II for a very short time but seem to remember that you have to activate the function in camera menu.
WJH



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Oct 28, 2023 16:11:21   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
jamesl wrote:
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Are you shooting with on-camera flash or with off-camera flash? With your camera and flash both in manual, once you have your initial setup you should not need to change anything except your shutter speed to correct for your background changing. If you change your aperture or ISO then you would need to modify your flash power to compensate. As long as your flash to subject distance doesn't change your flash should be good.


Off camera
Thanks for the input

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Oct 28, 2023 16:12:48   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Shoot in manual exposure on the camera and manual controls on the flash. Then, you can adjust the two independently. Usually, you'll decide what you want your camera exposure to be. And then, you experiment with the flash to find the exact level of light output to 'light' the scene based on your camera exposure settings. I didn't follow the question exactly, but as someone else noted, you may need to enable some of the 'flash parameters' via the EOS 7DII menus. The User Manual on the camera does explain what each menu option is intended to control. Consider if one of these options, if it needs to go off / on, should be added to your custom user menu on the camera.
Shoot in manual exposure on the camera and manual ... (show quote)


I worked it out Paul.
It was difficult for me to explain what I was trying to acomplish.
Thanks

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Oct 28, 2023 16:13:44   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
[quote=PHRubin]Thanks for the subject. It made me research how to set my camera

My pleasure

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