Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

List of theft and lies.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

There you go again bringing up common sense when the Left Wingers have no idea what you are talking about. The Constitution prohibits Trump or anyone else from becoming a dictator yet the Left insists he could do whatever he wants without any problem. Of course they use this lying corrupt bullshit to push their false agenda.

Dennis

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

WRONG, it's trump who'd turn the United States into an Autocracy or Dictatorship!

You really need to keep up with what trump has been spewing about what he wants to do not only to his enemies, but also where trump wants to take the United States, since trump lost the 2020 election

It's not a pretty picture of what trump wants to do to the United States.

trump has already STOLEN government documents!

The big question is WHO trump leaked our secrets to, and how much harm trump has already done to our National Security.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

The little boohoo-boy is all wound up again! Your left/right bs continues to make you look and act silly while you're talking your lying and corrupt sh**!

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

The Constitution prohibits overthrowing the government. Did that stop Drumpf from trying? Didn't Drumpf also say that he could murder someone on 5th Ave in NYC and get away with it? To which false agenda are you referring?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Easy now, you'll get him even more confused.

If that's even possible.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

Have you forgotten that trump and his cronies wanted to declare martial law after he lost the 2020 election? Saner heads prevailed to prevent that from happening in 2020.

Under martial law, trump could declare that the US Constitution was no longer applicable.

We've seen this happen numerous times in 3rd world countries over the past several decades.

Don't brush off the possibility that trump could or would try to do that to the United States.

But IF trump were somehow to miraculously win the 2024 election, his Cabinet will be a total "yes sir, anything you want sir, you'll get sir" collection of bodies with absolutely no one willing to push back against trump's wishes and dreams.

Truth Seeker Loc: High Mountains of the Western US

You're sure a waste of human biomass.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Once again you on the Left run your mouths but with no proof. Where and HOW was Trump going to turn America into a dictatorship. I keep hearing that from the Left but never any proof. Has he done anything to reverse the 10 Amendments, to take freedoms FROM Americans? The Left HAS and continues on a regular basis to take away our freedoms with the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments. How come not a one of you comments on THAT taking away of freedoms from We the People? I never see your side comment back to me when I post that. Cat got your tongues, doesn't go along well with your Democratic Socialist agenda?

Yes, please tell us how much harm Trump has done to our national security. I can't wait to hear your BS comment.

You seem to forget, if Trump stole documents then so did Pence and Biden. The trouble IS you on the Left ONLY choose to blame Trump, to say he did it.

Please keep us up to date on what Trump wants to do to the United States. Whatever it is will sure be a far lot better for America than anything idiotic, moronic, asinine POS Biden has done. Then take a good look at how your POS President Biden and his administration have F'd Up the United States since day one of his election. The only thing running well is your collective mouths telling us how good we have it when actual day to day experience proves you are telling us it is raining when in fact Biden is pissing all over Americans.

Dennis

Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO

He's not Trump. That's all it takes for me.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

glad you are happy with this POS we have now...Guess what..if slojoe gets blown away in Israel you get Kamala..bet that will really float your boat!!

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Yeah, I'd much rather have a person who attempted to throw out the vote of the people and install himself as president.

To construe that as happiness is remiss.

Triple G

Trump won't win; find a better candidate.

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/was-it-worth-it/

Alone among all segments of the American Jewish community, it was the Orthodox community that supported Donald Trump. A survey conducted by Ami Magazine found that 83 percent of Orthodox Jews surveyed said they would vote for the president, compared to 13 percent who said they would vote for Joe Biden. Regardless of the precise accuracy of these numbers, no one has contested the fact that a significant majority of the Orthodox community, from charedi to modern Orthodox, were enthusiastic supporters of the president.

The reasons for this backing, in stark contrast to the rest of the American Jewish community, revolved around the President’s strong support for Israel; his identification with conservative family values exemplified by naming conservative justices to the Supreme Court and other federal courts; and his lack of support for strong preventive pandemic public health measures, which Orthodox groups felt discriminated against them in their religious and social lives.

There is no question that under President Trump, the United States has taken many favorable actions toward Israel: moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem; recognizing Israel’s legal rights in West Bank settlements; taking a leading role in the recognition of Israel by three Muslim states; withdrawing from the Iran nuclear agreement, which the Israeli government opposed; and recognizing the Golan Heights as belonging to Israel. There is no question that both by the Israeli government and the vast majority of Israelis have seen these actions as beneficial to Israel security and its acceptance in the Arab world. Since most Orthodox Jews, other than the charedi world, are ardent Zionists—myself included—the community’s support for the president was understandable. I welcome these policy achievements.

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My question, however, is was it worth it?

In my opinion, the answer clearly is no.

Where to begin? Perhaps most glaringly, Donald Trump is largely responsible for the worst polarization of the American public since the Civil War. He has appealed to the worst instincts of American citizens. It is no accident that white supremacist groups see an ally in him. In his desire to prevent America from admitting people who come from the poor and largely black countries he referred to as “s…h… countries” in search of a better life. During the 2016 election campaign, President Trump infamously referred to Mexicans as “drug dealers, criminals, rapists.” His condemnation of white supremacists marching in Charlottesville was lukewarm at best. Rather than speak out against violence at his rallies, he often has given implied encouragement to violent attacks against his enemies. This president welcomes any group that is allied with him, no matter how repugnant its ideology or outrageous its conspiracy theories. Check out what the Proud Boys and QAnon stand for, and questioners’ inability to get President Trump to condemn them and poison they spread.

This president has thrived on division, and America has suffered as a result.

Donald Trump has made lying so normal that media stopped counting the number of outright lies after they numbered in the thousands. His assault on the truth has been poisonous to political discourse and to the ethical climate of America. He shattered the rules long ago, when he started by declaring the lie that President Obama was not born in the United States. His statement that the crowds at his inauguration were the largest ever was a boldfaced lie. This set the standard for the avalanche of lies that has characterized his presidency ever since. And most recently, his claim that he won the current election “by a landslide” and that the election “was rigged” repeatedly has been proven to be the greatest lie of his presidency—with devastating results.

As far as his personal qualities are concerned, it is obvious that he is a malignant narcissist. He views everything through the lens of “what is in it for me.” Despite having become inured over the years to his ugly, untrue, and indecent remarks, I was taken aback when, based on reliable and multiple sources, rather than visit a cemetery where 2000 Marines were buried after a storied WWI battle, he was quoted as calling these dead soldiers “suckers” and “losers.” President Trump vigorously objected to lowering American flags after Sen. John McCain’s death because McCain was “a f…… loser.” Given the Trumpian approach to life, it is understandable that he would find it incomprehensible to give your life for a cause greater than yourself. Let someone else make the ultimate sacrifice.

Donald Trump is the very antithesis of the human values we Orthodox Jews try to teach our children. He is known for having withheld payment from the workmen who constructed his buildings; he is a pathological liar; he is an adulterer and sexual predator; he routinely engages in either false or true lashon harah; he belittles people with disabilities; and as events on January 6th showed, he incites his followers to lethal violence. Agreed, many politicians are not paragons of virtue, but Donald Trump’s indecency puts him in a class by himself. His meanness has percolated through the entire country, creating a new low for what is publicly permissible. His often-disgusting behavior has consequences. It is therefore one thing for many Orthodox Jews to appreciate some of his foreign and domestic policies; it is quite another to venerate him as a virtual messiah.

Finally, as a physician, I am incredulous at how Donald Trump has politicized the public health response to the covid pandemic. True-blue Republicans model themselves after the president by regarding mask-wearing and social distancing as medically worthless and an affront to their inalienable rights as Americans. His attempt to politicize the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by requiring its public health pronouncements to be vetted by his staff for possible violations of the Trump political line is outrageous and a threat to lives.

America and the world witnessed the climax of President Trump’s poisonous megalomania on January 6, when, incited by the leader of the free world, hundreds of thugs forced their way into the Capitol building in Washington DC, with the ostensible goal of having the vice president and Congress overturn the election. Five people died in this assault, and even some Republicans—pathetically few—have concluded that the president should be removed from office.

Even the conservative Wall Street Journal has called for his resignation.

Was the Trump presidency worth it for Orthodox Jews? I do not believe so. Is there anything more important for us than what the president has done for Israel? Yes, there should be — the damage that he has inflicted on America. The president has let the genie of internecine hatred out of the bottle, and there is no putting it back in the near future.

I am afraid that the Orthodox Jewish community has made a Faustian bargain with its enthusiastic support for the president. In exchange for his positive policies toward Israel, I fear long term consequences of his presidency that will be harmful to America and therefore to Israel.

The president has unleashed antidemocratic forces that, historically, have not been kind to Jews. Among the potpourri of groups represented in the Capitol invasion were anti-Semites. I do not naively discount enemies of Israel on the far left, and I am concerned about the potential weakening of support for Israel as staunch supporters are voted out of office. But the security of Israel is not enhanced by the clear and present danger to American democracy and its moral foundation, resulting from the distrust of its institutions by millions of Americans, and the hatred of the other that Donald Trump and his enablers have fostered assiduously over the past four years. This hatred already has led to the unprecedented violence in the Capitol building on January 6 that led to the deaths of five people and injuries to many more. The mob even built gallows on which to hang Vice President Pence. It is most probable that more violence will follow.

There is a feeling of unease that pervades the country as President Trump reluctantly leaves the White House, no doubt secure in the belief that his followers will perpetuate a stabbed-in-the-back version of the election that he “won by a landslide.” He leaves a country in which people are divided into warring camps of Republicans and Democrats. Outrageous conspiracy theories abound, catalyzed by social media. This demagogic president has skillfully used his thousands of tweets to vilify his enemies, reward his sycophants, and propound egregious lies. The truth has been reduced to an option among the many versions of what has in fact transpired. This is President Trump’s legacy. It is bad for worldwide freedom and democracy, and I fear it is also bad for Israel and bad for the Jews.

This was before all the court cases. Family Thanksgiving dinners with the Pragers must be tense!

Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO

Anybody but Trump

Truth Seeker Loc: High Mountains of the Western US

Thats what you have quit yur bitchin. You and lil DaveyO own these dark times.