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Rongnongno Loc: FL

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selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Just like in the cameras.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

This must be Nikon talk.
In my world, ‘raw’ is ‘raw’.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Yes. Raw and JPEG adjustments are separate on Nikon cameras.

Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.

And RAW denotes that the image was made without any filters on the lens?

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

How does that make any sense?

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

‘raw’ typically denoted that it is output directly from the sensor without being ‘messed’ with by the software - people used to talk about changes by software being “baked in”.

Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.

My apologies. I was making a bad joke. 😢

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

It was easier than I anticipated.

The first test produced a Large JPEG (actually 44.4MP) with the raw image size set to Large, Medium and Small. The results were identical. This confirms that the JPEG was created before the final raw files (44.7MP, 32.8MP, 25.1MP) because the camera cannot produce a proper enlargement from a smaller raw file. Even software on your computer would struggle with that step. The smaller raw files cannot be used to create a quality image on the computer.

The second test produced three JPEG sizes (44.4MP, 25MP, 11.1mp) from the Large raw file. Of course, the smaller JPEGS are inferior.

Nikon's reported Image Size is wrong for both the raw and JPEG in the camera as well as in their documentation. That's probably not an accident since it's a dumb idea that would have needed a lot of explaining. My Sonys avoid all of this - I can only change the crop factor.

That leaves us with the original question, "Is the best JPEG that the camera produces as good as the default version you get in Lightroom, Capture One, etc., when you start from the large JPEG?" The answer is still, "NO".

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Change the question by inserting the word “noticeable”.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Probably not necessary. We are in the quibbling and pixel peeping mode here.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Five years ago, I participated in a three-day night sky workshop at Big Bend National Park. That workshop included education aroung how to post process night sky images. That was actually my first experience with post-processing, and it also my first encounter with people who believed that raw+post is the only way to do photography.

The next summer, I attended a second workshop, at Fort Griffin with different instructors. They had a fundamentally different approach, employing intentionally lower ISOs. My intent was really just to go out and do what I'd learned the year before, but with the support and safety that comes with being part of a group. I ended up actually paying attention and trying the new ideas, which worked better than expected and allowed me to produce an image that gotca ribbon in our five state regional contest.

Just last night, my wife offered to send me to another workshop led by my initial instructor. (He is now a Nikon Ambassador and has had a couple of pictorial articles published in National Geographic.) This is a two-day session covering general LightRoom processing.

My intent in going is motivated significantly by this discussion. I want to spend some dedicated, directed time exploring just what can be done and just what I can do. I do have some very strong expectations, however. No mumbo jumbo about not being able to simultaneously capture properly adjusted JPEGs. (In other words, is a raw file really a raw file, or are you saying it is a little less than a raw file?) Related to that, do you really understand yet what goes on when you crank ISO way up? I caught both of my instructors talking out both sides of their mouths on this subject. It's not uncommon in photography.

I'll eventually let everyone know how this turns out and what changes I might adopt.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Have a great time with your workshop.

I think that you will find that both of your prior workshops were correct. The key to success is to keep the ISO as low as practical, proper exposure without blowing the highlights and post processing.