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Aug 3, 2023 09:17:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
What got me to post this is the cartoon that someone sent me - below.

Some people like the roundabout, and some people don't. I don't. We used to have a large traffic circle in Kingston at the Thruway exit. The state spent millions of dollars to turn it into a roundabout - the same thing, only much smaller. Why is smaller bad?

If I want to enter the roundabout, and I see a car entering on my left, I don't have time to enter. There is usually a line of cars entering, so I have a substantial wait. The old circle was large enough that I would have plenty of time to enter the traffic circle. Now, traffic backs up at all the entrances.

The circle is so small that an 18-wheller must use part of both lanes.

Contradicting all logic, cars in the left lane are allowed to make a right turn to enter the Thruway Interstate. I'm usually in that right lane so I can get on the local highway to go home. Every time I get to that point, I hit the brake and look left to see if the car next to me is going to cross in front of me. Yes, there is a big, white arrow in the left lane telling cars that they can cut across the right lane.

Kingston recently converted a regular redlight intersection into a roundabout. Traffic is heavier there, and entering can be a challenge. The pictures show it almost empty. I don't know how they did that.
What got me to post this is the cartoon that someo... (show quote)


Done correctly, they're far better in many instances than cross-type intersections and stop lights or four-way stop signs.

Anyway, I thought you were posting something about the progressive rock band, YES. https://youtu.be/t1-NsnlPc54

(The song was inspired by a roundabout, rather obliquely.)

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Aug 3, 2023 10:48:51   #
Dannj
 
There’s a well used rotary outside Hyannis Airport on Cape Cod with some interesting entry/exit patterns. It can take some getting used to, to put it mildly.

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Aug 3, 2023 10:58:14   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
alberio wrote:
Yes, a smaller roundabout takes up less space, but the only way something like this works is much larger, ask the Europeans.


European here. The biggest problem with a small roundabout is non regular users not having sufficient time to place themselves in the correct lane for thier exit.
The one shown above looks pretty good. Don't think it would pose a problem for any European driver.

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Aug 3, 2023 11:09:05   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
You beat me to it.

Note that there is not just one, but six roundabouts:


You could try Hemel Hempstead. One big one and 6 little ones. Seemed to work well when I used to a bit of work around there. Google streetplan.


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Aug 3, 2023 12:19:53   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
John N wrote:
You could try Hemel Hempstead. One big one and 6 little ones. Seemed to work well when I used to a bit of work around there. Google streetplan.


As I mentioned in my first post, roundabouts don't necessarily eliminate the need for traffic lights. I've spent a lot of time driving in the UK, and I could mention about a half dozen where access and flow is controlled by traffic lights. The traffic is so heavy that you'd probably have difficulty getting into one of them without the lights. It's really easy on the small ones. You just yield to anyone coming from your right (opposite in the US). No light necessary. It's not so easy with heavy traffic and especially when multiple lanes are involved.

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Aug 3, 2023 12:21:06   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
where I live we have more than 30 roundabouts . You really need to know how to use them . There are LOTS of crashes.... I take my time and give everybody room.

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Aug 3, 2023 13:02:48   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
cbabcock wrote:
I remember the Kingston roundabout. The arrow that shows straight ahead or right being permitted looks like it is on a single lane part of the road, the right lane having previously been required to exit.


Colorado has absolutely no idea how to understand, design and construct roundabouts. The third largest business in the state appears to be the installation of traffic lights.

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Aug 3, 2023 13:07:59   #
Ollieboy
 
fantom wrote:
Colorado has absolutely no idea how to understand, design and construct roundabouts. The third largest business in the state appears to be the installation of traffic lights.


That won't change due to "Big Traffic Light". "Big Roundabout" needs a Lobbyist. 🤔

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Aug 3, 2023 13:20:49   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Roundabouts assume a certain amount of courtesy and give and take. That may have worked decades ago. I'm not sure it does so much today.

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Aug 3, 2023 13:35:02   #
AviRoad Loc: Westchester County, NY
 
There's a road in Italy where we make frequent trips to see friends. Over the years they did away with all of the traffic lights and replaced them with roundabouts and it definitely did cut out a good deal of time. The rule is whoever's already in the roundabout get the right-of-way. On a recent trip to England, I found the roundabouts a bit more daunting than the ones in Italy.

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Aug 3, 2023 13:43:48   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
SteveR wrote:
Roundabouts assume a certain amount of courtesy and give and take. That may have worked decades ago. I'm not sure it does so much today.


The rest of the world seems to handle them quite well. I've seen them used all over Europe and Asia and parts of Africa and they work very well and traffic flows nicely.
Look at the current condition of the US and the ridiculousness of what is happening here and you'll probably find that trouble with roundabouts is just a reflection of that.

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Aug 3, 2023 14:55:48   #
mikenolan Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
 
When we were in Ireland 17 years ago, the traffic roundabouts were easy to use, even though I was not that familiar with right-hand drive cars and roads.

The ones they've built in Lincoln since then are a total nightmare, poorly designed and a major source of both complaints and accidents.

I think the ones in Ireland, especially Dublin, were larger than the ones here, and that's a big part of the problem.

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Aug 3, 2023 15:21:05   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
mikenolan wrote:
When we were in Ireland 17 years ago, the traffic roundabouts were easy to use, even though I was not that familiar with right-hand drive cars and roads.

The ones they've built in Lincoln since then are a total nightmare, poorly designed and a major source of both complaints and accidents.

I think the ones in Ireland, especially Dublin, were larger than the ones here, and that's a big part of the problem.


Links fahren. If you're driven in Ireland, you've seen it.

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Aug 4, 2023 03:59:51   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
jerryc41 wrote:
What got me to post this is the cartoon that someone sent me - below.

Some people like the roundabout, and some people don't. I don't. We used to have a large traffic circle in Kingston at the Thruway exit. The state spent millions of dollars to turn it into a roundabout - the same thing, only much smaller. Why is smaller bad?

If I want to enter the roundabout, and I see a car entering on my left, I don't have time to enter. There is usually a line of cars entering, so I have a substantial wait. The old circle was large enough that I would have plenty of time to enter the traffic circle. Now, traffic backs up at all the entrances.

The circle is so small that an 18-wheller must use part of both lanes.

Contradicting all logic, cars in the left lane are allowed to make a right turn to enter the Thruway Interstate. I'm usually in that right lane so I can get on the local highway to go home. Every time I get to that point, I hit the brake and look left to see if the car next to me is going to cross in front of me. Yes, there is a big, white arrow in the left lane telling cars that they can cut across the right lane.

Kingston recently converted a regular redlight intersection into a roundabout. Traffic is heavier there, and entering can be a challenge. The pictures show it almost empty. I don't know how they did that.
What got me to post this is the cartoon that someo... (show quote)


We recently did a month-long road trip in Italy of about 1,800 miles and I'm now a fan of roundabouts. However, based on the driving skills in the U.S. (lack thereof), I'm not sure how they would work here. However, there are a couple in the Poipu Beach area of Kauai and they seem to work pretty well.

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Aug 4, 2023 10:08:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
cbabcock wrote:
I remember the Kingston roundabout. The arrow that shows straight ahead or right being permitted looks like it is on a single lane part of the road, the right lane having previously been required to exit.


I looked yesterday, and the Arrows and just white smudges.

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