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Nov 19, 2012 15:05:15   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
U.S. Reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTREOQ920091015

This will take you to the whole article. I am sorry that I am not adept at this computer thing but if you are a gun owner and want to continue to fit into that catagory you would read this and take what action you deep appropriate.

I for one will not give up my guns willingly.

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Nov 19, 2012 15:13:07   #
dachs
 
page not found, oops

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Nov 19, 2012 15:21:30   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
workhorse wrote:
U.S. Reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTREOQ920091015

This will take you to the whole article. I am sorry that I am not adept at this computer thing but if you are a gun owner and want to continue to fit into that catagory you would read this and take what action you deep appropriate.

I for one will not give up my guns willingly.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

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Nov 19, 2012 16:42:48   #
Kit Lens
 
Much ado about nothing. This rumor of the international arms treaty as a way to get around the 2nd amendment has been debunked numerous times.

First, the treat they're talking about regulates the international sale of arms to prevent illegal transfer of weapons to another country.

Second, even though there have been numerous emails about this silliness, the truth is that this treaty will need to be approved by Congress and there is no away around that little fact.

So relax. No one wants your guns and you won't be getting any visits from men in a black helicopter if you don't turn in your hunting rifle.

It's all just a bunch of BS.

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Nov 19, 2012 16:56:12   #
sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Much ado about nothing. This rumor of the international arms treaty as a way to get around the 2nd amendment has been debunked numerous times.

First, the treat they're talking about regulates the international sale of arms to prevent illegal transfer of weapons to another country.

Second, even though there have been numerous emails about this silliness, the truth is that this treaty will need to be approved by Congress and there is no away around that little fact.

Kit has it right. There is nothing in that wording to effect any private citizens right to bear arms. The law concerns export of weapons by the major countries noted.

Sarge69
So relax. No one wants your guns and you won't be getting any visits from men in a black helicopter if you don't turn in your hunting rifle.

It's all just a bunch of BS.
Much ado about nothing. This rumor of the interna... (show quote)

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Nov 20, 2012 01:03:59   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Much ado about nothing. This rumor of the international arms treaty as a way to get around the 2nd amendment has been debunked numerous times.

First, the treat they're talking about regulates the international sale of arms to prevent illegal transfer of weapons to another country.

Second, even though there have been numerous emails about this silliness, the truth is that this treaty will need to be approved by Congress and there is no away around that little fact.

So relax. No one wants your guns and you won't be getting any visits from men in a black helicopter if you don't turn in your hunting rifle.

It's all just a bunch of BS.
Much ado about nothing. This rumor of the interna... (show quote)


Obama has a way of getting around Congress. He has done it before, he will do it again. Who needs Congress any more.

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Nov 20, 2012 01:21:27   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
Well, Kit Lens, some of the domestic firearms manufacturers who sell to other countries may not share your casual response to this pending action. Likewise, domestic importers of foreign manufactured firearms may not be happy about it either.
Remington, for example, the oldest domestic manufacturer of arms, still doing business, built an entire town, Illion, New York, with their company. So there may be families and peripheral businesses who could be hurt by this. Perhaps some concern is not misplaced.
The oldest firearms manufacturer in the world, Pietro Beretta, of Italy, has factories in this country. They supply the current M-9 pistol to our military, but that's not what keeps them alive. Private sales to citizens is a critical part of their business.

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Nov 20, 2012 06:04:01   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Danilo wrote:
Well, Kit Lens, some of the domestic firearms manufacturers who sell to other countries may not share your casual response to this pending action. Likewise, domestic importers of foreign manufactured firearms may not be happy about it either.
Remington, for example, the oldest domestic manufacturer of arms, still doing business, built an entire town, Illion, New York, with their company. So there may be families and peripheral businesses who could be hurt by this. Perhaps some concern is not misplaced.
The oldest firearms manufacturer in the world, Pietro Beretta, of Italy, has factories in this country. They supply the current M-9 pistol to our military, but that's not what keeps them alive. Private sales to citizens is a critical part of their business.
Well, Kit Lens, some of the domestic firearms manu... (show quote)
Thank you for being so well informed and seeing beyond your own front door. It seems to me that everything this administration does is just another attempt to circumvent the constitution, a little at a time. If something doesn't work at first they just back up and twist it a little and come back from another direction. Again thank you, The Barret 50 is made here in Murfreesboro and those folks would not be happy loosing their jobs either.

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Nov 20, 2012 08:33:50   #
Kit Lens
 
Workhorse,
I'd like you to answer this one question. How does regulating firearms sales to other countries violate any provisions or amendments of the Constitution?
Last time I checked the Constitution, only applied to the United States of America.
If and when this happens it will have to be passed by Congress and the Senate as it's a foreign treaty. You all need to stop thinking about losing the damn election and start thinking about working together.
If you really think this law is bad then contact your Congressman and Senator instead of whining about it.
As for Beretta, they will still be able to manufacture and sell within the same country as always. It is the "export/import" of certain firearms that will be regulated.

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Nov 20, 2012 08:43:51   #
sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Workhorse,
I'd like you to answer this one question. How does regulating firearms sales to other countries violate any provisions or amendments of the Constitution?
Last time I checked the Constitution, only applied to the United States of America.
If and when this happens it will have to be passed by Congress and the Senate as it's a foreign treaty. You all need to stop thinking about losing the damn election and start thinking about working together.
If you really think this law is bad then contact your Congressman and Senator instead of whining about it.
As for Beretta, they will still be able to manufacture and sell within the same country as always. It is the "export/import" of certain firearms that will be regulated.
Workhorse, br I'd like you to answer this one que... (show quote)


Kit is absolutely right. This treaty with world countries does nothing to affect my right to bear arms and have weapons in my house. They are just trying to prevent machine guns from getting into the hands of weirdos in developing nations.

Sarge69

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Nov 20, 2012 09:26:39   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Workhorse,
I'd like you to answer this one question. How does regulating firearms sales to other countries violate any provisions or amendments of the Constitution?
Last time I checked the Constitution, only applied to the United States of America.
If and when this happens it will have to be passed by Congress and the Senate as it's a foreign treaty. You all need to stop thinking about losing the damn election and start thinking about working together.
If you really think this law is bad then contact your Congressman and Senator instead of whining about it.
As for Beretta, they will still be able to manufacture and sell within the same country as always. It is the "export/import" of certain firearms that will be regulated.
Workhorse, br I'd like you to answer this one que... (show quote)

The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

I pray that you are right that the treaty cannot be put into effect with out a vote being taken in the House and Senate. Since Obamacare was passed against the will of the people and upheld in the Supreme Court I have little confidence in Washington to do the right thing.

I may be a "voice crying in the wilderness" but I would rather cry out while there is still time to affect the outcome rather than sit silent so that I do not get ridiculed. I have already contacted Senators and Congressmen about this and will continue to do so. My intent is not to invoke anger in people but to prompt some type of action that will influence the outcome. I have had enough of my rights taken away and/or infringed upon and do not want anymore altered.

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Nov 20, 2012 09:32:17   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
sarge69 wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Workhorse,
I'd like you to answer this one question. How does regulating firearms sales to other countries violate any provisions or amendments of the Constitution?
Last time I checked the Constitution, only applied to the United States of America.
If and when this happens it will have to be passed by Congress and the Senate as it's a foreign treaty. You all need to stop thinking about losing the damn election and start thinking about working together.
If you really think this law is bad then contact your Congressman and Senator instead of whining about it.
As for Beretta, they will still be able to manufacture and sell within the same country as always. It is the "export/import" of certain firearms that will be regulated.
Workhorse, br I'd like you to answer this one que... (show quote)


Kit is absolutely right. This treaty with world countries does nothing to affect my right to bear arms and have weapons in my house. They are just trying to prevent machine guns from getting into the hands of weirdos in developing nations.

Sarge69
quote=Kit Lens Workhorse, br I'd like you to ans... (show quote)

Sarge69, I respect you and your opinions very much. I believe, however, that if their real intention is to "prevent machine guns from getting into the hands of weirdos in developing nation" they should quit supplying them to them now. This administration has funneled more guns to weirdoes, both in Mexico and the middle east than any legitamite sales from companies.

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Nov 20, 2012 11:06:11   #
sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL
 
That's the purpose of this proposed UN mandate. To stop the EXPORT of automatic weapons to countries that have internat strife.

Sarge69

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