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Jul 28, 2023 21:00:44   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
That’s a lot of accusations that you can’t back up, maybe some of them but not all of them. You are lying about Trump minimizing the COVID threat and caused lives. None of what you posted damaged the country, maybe damaged himself but not the country. Tax cuts don’t add to the national debt, spending does.

Raccy
Does the phrase It will disappear and then it will be gone, ring a bell?

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Jul 28, 2023 21:01:22   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
Raccy
Does the phrase It will disappear and then it will be gone, ring a bell?


Ya and? How did that cause death??

Do you remember “the vaccinated can’t get COVID and the vaccinated can’t spread the virus”??

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Jul 28, 2023 21:52:37   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Is Trump also too old? Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden.


Where I live. if you feel young and act young, your age is not a factor.

Where I live, if you stumble down stairs, have trouble speaking, can't take direct questions and need directions as to where get off a stage, you are too old and Biden should go NOW!

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Jul 29, 2023 07:06:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
travelwp wrote:
Which was more detrimental to the United States ?

A. Al Capone
B. The Biden crime family

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FJB crime family.
At least the mob was patriotic, read history about the mob WWII.
They never sold us out to the Nazis like the FJB crime family have for personal wealth at the security of the nation.

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Jul 29, 2023 07:58:44   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Lol ya just as I thought, what you said was just pure unfounded BS.


You thought? I'd like to see evidence of that.

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Jul 29, 2023 08:48:07   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
travelwp wrote:
Which was more detrimental to the United States ?

A. Al Capone
B. The Biden crime family

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The DemoKKKrap Party.

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Jul 29, 2023 08:49:22   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Frank T wrote:
Wake up, please man.
No one has done the damage to our country that Trump has.


Your Fascist thinking and lies amaze us.

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Jul 29, 2023 08:58:11   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I cannot fathom the interest in Trump. Before the election he stiffed a lot of people in Atlantic City, had a fake charity and a fake university. Trump has the morality of an alley cat - a serial adulterer. He minimized the COVID threat, costing lives. He disrespected the military. His tax cut was unnecessary adding to the national debt. He couldn't accept his election loss, raising an attack by his supporters to the Capitol, tried in several states to obtain votes illegally and pushed a fake narrative regarding the election. He withheld illegally classified info that could compromise the defense of the United States (Biden and Pence were minor and they co-operated immediately)He was a Democrat, then an independent, then a Republican. In reality, his party is himself.

I am reminded of the children's tale of the Emperor's New Clothes; he was naked and only the children saw the reality. Trump's a bad guy, the facts are there, but his party fails to see it.

You would think that in a country of over 300 million, we could find better candidates than these two losers.
I cannot fathom the interest in Trump. Before the ... (show quote)


Obviously you voted for F JB. You Brown Shirted DemoKKKraps never learn and foist upon us criminal and racist candidates. Trump did as much positive
for us as F JB did to us.

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Jul 29, 2023 09:36:31   #
Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
travelwp wrote:
Do you also think the same of the Democrats?

If so, who do you think their candidate is?


I certainly think the Dems should have another candidate. I've never liked Biden nor have I ever felt comfortable with the Democratic party. But, as long as Trump has anything at all to do with the Republican party, I'm out (and I have voted solid Republican for many decades). As much as I hate to do it I will support anybody who is running against him. It astounds me that that party is unable or unwilling to flush him (literally) out of the party. It also astounds me that there are people willing to ignore the criminality and support him. Bad things happen when you do that.

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Jul 29, 2023 10:39:21   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Ya and? How did that cause death??

Do you remember “the vaccinated can’t get COVID and the vaccinated can’t spread the virus”??


Okay Raccy, I'll try to explain it to you at a 3rd grade level.

1. The vaccine actually did work.
2. Those that took the vaccine did not require hospitalization when they contracted the disease.
3. Those that took the vaccine did not die.
Here's the link to a graph that will explain it visually to you. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
4. In your case and the case for most republicans, I would suggest that you not get the vaccine. It will help the country in the long run.

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Jul 29, 2023 10:46:16   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
Okay Raccy, I'll try to explain it to you at a 3rd grade level.

1. The vaccine actually did work.
2. Those that took the vaccine did not require hospitalization when they contracted the disease.
3. Those that took the vaccine did not die.
Here's the link to a graph that will explain it visually to you. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
4. In your case and the case for most republicans, I would suggest that you not get the vaccine. It will help the country in the long run.
Okay Raccy, I'll try to explain it to you at a 3rd... (show quote)


You are deflecting once again to deceive. I didn’t say anything about the efficacy of the vaccines. So why deflect from what I actually said and addressed? Because that’s what you said for lying left to do. I addressed the LIES you Lefties spewed about the vaccinated when you said that the vaccinated cannot get the virus and cannot spread the virus which was Eli a big lie. I’m not against the vaccines. I think everybody should take it that wants it because it is effective of protecting that person from serious illness in most cases. I’m glad the vaccine came out as fast as it did. Thanks to the scientist and thinks to President Trump for pushing it.

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Jul 29, 2023 10:52:07   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Frank T wrote:
Okay Raccy, I'll try to explain it to you at a 3rd grade level.

1. The vaccine actually did work.
2. Those that took the vaccine did not require hospitalization when they contracted the disease.
3. Those that took the vaccine did not die.
Here's the link to a graph that will explain it visually to you. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
4. In your case and the case for most republicans, I would suggest that you not get the vaccine. It will help the country in the long run.
Okay Raccy, I'll try to explain it to you at a 3rd... (show quote)


Bu the way little Frankie, of all the people that I know that got Covid more than once were the ones who are vaccinated not unvaccinated. I had Covid once and another of my family members got Covid just once and neither one of us were vaccinated. Do you know why I think the one who got back to get it twice? Because they thought they couldn’t get it and they couldn’t spread it and they weren’t taking precautions.

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Jul 29, 2023 10:59:59   #
rwoodvira
 
[quote=Racmanaz]That’s a lot of accusations that you can’t back up...

The wife is getting ready for a picnic we are going to this afternoon. So I decided I'd take the time and show you the reality of my comments.

But first I note the usual Rac response when confronted with facts – insult, call someone a liar. Most of these have been discussed ad nauseam in this forum. Have you ever considered a career in writing false propaganda or alternate history like Turtledove?

Stiffed people in Atlantic City:
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built-taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/

Fake Charity
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

Fake University
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/federal-court-approves-25-million-trump-university-settlement-n845181

Morality - Payoff to Porn Star & Playboy Bunny while married
https://nypost.com/2018/11/09/trump-personally-arranged-payoffs-for-stormy-daniels-karen-mcdougal/

Sexual assault
https://www.reuters.com/legal/jurors-set-deliberate-civil-rape-case-against-donald-trump-2023-05-09/

Minimized the COVID threat, costing lives.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/31/coronavirus-trump-campaign-rallies-led-to-30000-cases-stanford-researchers-say.html

History of Trump’s COVID response
https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-response
Please note they are largely a synopsis of Trump's own comments.

Disrespect of military
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/08/trump-mocked-us-military-troops-losers-whole-life/

Couldn’t accept election defeat although he knew he lost
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/jan-6-committee-hearing-trump-today/card/trump-knew-he-lost-the-election-aides-testify-8d6wDzeJeTFKRvrZEGL7
Possible indictment Georgia

Continues fake narrative that he won the election
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/06/fact-check-donald-trump-2020-election-results/9115875002/

Trump tax cuts effect on National Debt
https://www.salon.com/2023/03/28/bush-cuts-have-largely-driven-national-debt-issues-since-2001-report_partner/

Trump responsible for Jan 6 riot
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/03/donald-trump-incited-capitol-attack-by-any-legal-test-column/4370622001/
Possible Federal indictment DC

Withheld classified documents
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/09/1181340894/trump-indictment-classified-documents-charges
Indictment in process - charges bumped up this week.

Biden and Pence vs Trump classified documents
https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-michael-pence-us-federal-bureau-of-investigation-9c2d7f472b8ff63f76f2c9fbb03dfde2

Political Affiliation
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/24/jeb-bush/bush-says-trump-was-democrat-longer-republican-las/

You might be able to debate some of these, but they are reality.

Individually most should give people pause to vote for Trump. Collectively they paint a portrait of a seriously disturbed man; it is IMO crazy to even think of this guy for a 2nd term. The next comment usually in this forum, "well you must love Biden." Nope, he’s too old and has too much baggage. Both parties need somebody new.

Right now I'm for Christie. I'm somewhat horizontally enhanced, there's that. But he's the only one telling it the way it really is.

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Jul 29, 2023 11:05:33   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
Wake up, please man.
No one has done the damage to our country that Trump has.


Stay on topic please, don’t use Trump as an excuse for Biden.

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Jul 29, 2023 11:07:36   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
Trump


Same advice I gave Frank, stay on topic and take the high road. Both are crappy but this is about Biden.

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