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Aug 13, 2023 19:45:51   #
Hip Coyote
 
brentrh wrote:
Filters for digital add no value for lens hood provides sufficient protection


You're hijacking the thread...on a better moderated site, this would be deleted. Sadly, this is the wild west of photog sites. The point is the OP is trying to figure out if his filter is causing the issue. It may or may not.

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Aug 13, 2023 20:48:35   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
I recently received a Sony DSC-RX10 iii which had been very well cared for.
Wanting to preserve its value, I applied a screen protector AND bought a Vivitar UV filter to protect the lens.
I first took a shot (camera full auto) at 600mm across my back yard of a clock on the wall.
I next put the filter on and repeated the shot.
Then I made crops at 100% around the #8 on the clock.
To me - the no-filter image looks sharper than the one with the filter on.
Is this acceptable? Or do I need to up the anty? If so - which filter would you recommend ?
I DID click 'Store Original' (I tried x2) - but it didn't do that
I recently received a Sony DSC-RX10 iii which had ... (show quote)


None! If your filter is effecting your image quality then throw it in the trash.

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Aug 13, 2023 21:06:46   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

Putting a cheap filter on a good piece of glass, is counterproductive.

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Aug 13, 2023 21:52:08   #
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JeffDavidson wrote:
"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

Putting a cheap filter on a good piece of glass, is counterproductive.


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Aug 13, 2023 22:45:25   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
I think you are jumping to a conclusion before you have sufficient facts. Even with a Vivitar filter.
Please quote Reply - who are you referring to.
And if it's me - the OP - please be so kind as to review the original post, and subsequent.
Expert analysis has proven the defect in the Vivitar filter, compared to the NiSi.
If you've not reviewed the entire thread, please do that.
DirtFarmer has provided a detailed (Fourier frequency spectrum analysis) showing the with-filter deficiencies.
Hip Coyote wrote:
bentrh wrote:
Filters for digital add no value for lens hood provides sufficient protection
You're hijacking the thread...on a better moderated site, this would be deleted.
I do appreciate your support.

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Aug 13, 2023 22:46:56   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If the purpose of the filter is to protect the lens then if you can see any degradation of the image then it's not acceptable.
I Agree, Bebu - which is why I returned the Vivitar.
The NiSi filter was excellent !!

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Aug 14, 2023 12:17:54   #
Hip Coyote
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
I do appreciate your support.


I was responding to the OP...you. My point was that you have a newly acquired camera that you assume was well taken care of. I think that camera is a pretty small sensor, if I remember correctly. You don't say if the shots were taken with a tripod. If you want to spend time figuring this all out, then maybe put it on a tripod, do a little experiment, etc. to eliminate the variables that might affect the outcome. Both the pics you posted looked pretty fuzzy to me...I would consider posting real photos or the color checkers maybe. Or consider just posting a few pics and see if there are artifacts or issues with the shots? If the pics look good, then move on to taking photos?

As I mentioned, I typically use high dollar filters. For some odd reason, I use an Amazon basics filter on my primary lens. I now recall that was due to fact I use that set up while hiking and destroyed a few filters by walking through brush, so went cheap on that one. Frankly, when I look at the photos I take, not pixel peep at points where no one can notice, but actual pics, I don't see a difference. I could attach a few shots, if you care or it would help you in any way.

Maybe get a good B&H filter and see if that helps.

Anyhoo, its your time, energy and interest. Great camera. Have a fun time with it and happy shooting.

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Aug 14, 2023 14:19:08   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Well said ☀️☀️☀️

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Aug 14, 2023 18:05:07   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Anyhoo, its your time, energy and interest. Great camera. Have a fun time with it and happy shooting.
Sensor is listed as a 20.1 MP, 1.0"-type (0.52" x 0.35") Exmor RS® CMOS sensor, aspect ratio 3:2. For what I do, 20 MP is more than enough and I am very happy with the RX-10M3 and it's all-in-one 24-600mm equivalent range. Also, comparing the before and after shots using the NiSi filter ($30) at 600mm equivalent, I saw no differences when repeating the clock face photos. I don't see the need to spend $70-100 on a B&W filter.
And yes, you're right. While the images of the clock face Appear fuzzy, it is actually the clock face itself that is fuzzy. In the 1:1 blow-up of the numeral XII, the lines between the vertical stripes are actually sharp.
Yes - I do have a Canon 80D and several lenses - but I wanted an all-in-one solution for overseas travel, and the RX-10M3 does that for me.
I appreciate your comments

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