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More Mass Shootings today.
Jul 2, 2023 16:04:10   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Two more mass shooting today one at a Baltimore block Party with 2 dead and 30 injured. The other at a Kansas night club with 9 hurt. Our gun laws did nothing to stop either of the violence. Yet, some still clammer for more laws being needed. When will these people come to the realization: laws (new or old) won’t stop evil doers. So, I suggest, let’s do away with ALL the laws currently on the books and re-write new laws to a more manageable six or so new ones which will cover all or at least most gun crimes. These new laws will cover but not stop evil any more than the 20,000 laws we now have.

Proposed new laws:

1) It is illegal to injure or kill someone with a firearm unless in self-defense. Brandishing a firearm at anyone is illegal unless you fear your life in eminent danger.

2) Anyone who has been deemed mentally ill may not possess or own a firearm until being given a clean bill of health by no less than 3 or more doctors.

3) Convicted felons may never own or possess a firearm unless cleared by a court.

4) Mandatory sentences if convicted of a crime committed with a firearm up to including life and or the death penalty.

5) In order to buy a firearm a mandatory background check is necessary. Severe penalties if the applicant intentionally lies on the application.

6) Minimum age to purchase or own a firearm is 18.

From a Google search. How many gun laws are there in the United States. Is 20,000 at least in the ballpark?
Yes. No one really knows for sure what the exact number is. But the 20,000 figure has been quoted by reliable sources for at least a decade. And many more have been passed in that time.

The proposed new laws cover (most) violence with a gun but will not stop gun violence any better than the 20,000 laws we now have on the books do. They will however make knowing gun laws easier to understand for the people who won’t abide by them anyway. Also, maybe it will make those who think we need more laws understand the fact that more laws haven’t, won’t and never will solve the problem.

Let’s stop thinking ignorant thoughts that more laws will solve the problem. We probably will never totally solve the problem of gun violence so let’s start thinking defense. Begin by doing things that will limit the opportunities evil doers have. Not by more laws and talk, but by deeds we can accomplish that may actually help.

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Jul 2, 2023 17:20:59   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
What is your solution?

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Jul 2, 2023 17:39:50   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Start with only one entry way into schools (for anyone entering) through metal detectors. Electronic lockable and unlockable doors on all other doors with numerous emergency lock/unlock points throughout the school. Only a few selected adults have the key to the lock points. Like all ideas not a total solution but a pretty good start.

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Jul 2, 2023 21:31:47   #
mikee
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Start with only one entry way into schools (for anyone entering) through metal detectors. Electronic lockable and unlockable doors on all other doors with numerous emergency lock/unlock points throughout the school. Only a few selected adults have the key to the lock points. Like all ideas not a total solution but a pretty good start.


As someone who just went on an overseas trip, and through TSA multiple times, this is not realistic. My high school had over 3000 students. You propose they're all going through a single gate (campus was about 80 acres, so someone coming in from a bus vs. student parking lot vs. walking to school from any direction has to walk around to a single gate??)...at 8 AM...everyone taking off their belts, backpack inspections, watches off, pockets empty, phones in a bin...NOPE! Ain't gunna happen. Lockable doors sound great, except any handgun, shotgun, or rifle will shoot right through sheet-rock walls. Ok, so now we're making schools out of concrete, with electronic locking doors, with single gate entries, with metal detectors...sounds like almost any maximum security prison. Also, the recent shootings were not at schools, so a $50 billion investment nationwide in school security ( I made that number up, but any astronomical number could apply) wouldn't have reduced firearm statistics. Ok, so we need to put a metal detector at the post office, at the entrance to nightclubs, at the entrance to grocery stores, libraries, hospitals, malls, car dealerships, any lawyer's office, city offices, etc? How about we limit gun sales? You want a gun, fine. What brand of muzzle loader do you want? What well regulated militia are you a member of? What do you want to hunt (you don't hunt ducks with an AR-15, Colt Python, 10 gauge shotgun with a 25 round drum magazine, or a MAC-10). You want to shoot at the range? OK, fine. When? Where will your gun be locked when not in use? If anyone in your home has committed a felony you must surrender your gun to local authorities until that person has moved out. We need to control the movement of an item (gun) so a user (criminal) doesn't have access to it. It is similar to drug use. We confiscate the drugs before a criminal uses them.

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Jul 2, 2023 21:48:31   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
And you really think someone intent on doing evil will a bide by your rules? About as well as they abide by the rules we now have.

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Jul 3, 2023 10:34:22   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mikee wrote:
As someone who just went on an overseas trip, and through TSA multiple times, this is not realistic. My high school had over 3000 students. You propose they're all going through a single gate (campus was about 80 acres, so someone coming in from a bus vs. student parking lot vs. walking to school from any direction has to walk around to a single gate??)...at 8 AM...everyone taking off their belts, backpack inspections, watches off, pockets empty, phones in a bin...NOPE! Ain't gunna happen. Lockable doors sound great, except any handgun, shotgun, or rifle will shoot right through sheet-rock walls. Ok, so now we're making schools out of concrete, with electronic locking doors, with single gate entries, with metal detectors...sounds like almost any maximum security prison. Also, the recent shootings were not at schools, so a $50 billion investment nationwide in school security ( I made that number up, but any astronomical number could apply) wouldn't have reduced firearm statistics. Ok, so we need to put a metal detector at the post office, at the entrance to nightclubs, at the entrance to grocery stores, libraries, hospitals, malls, car dealerships, any lawyer's office, city offices, etc? How about we limit gun sales? You want a gun, fine. What brand of muzzle loader do you want? What well regulated militia are you a member of? What do you want to hunt (you don't hunt ducks with an AR-15, Colt Python, 10 gauge shotgun with a 25 round drum magazine, or a MAC-10). You want to shoot at the range? OK, fine. When? Where will your gun be locked when not in use? If anyone in your home has committed a felony you must surrender your gun to local authorities until that person has moved out. We need to control the movement of an item (gun) so a user (criminal) doesn't have access to it. It is similar to drug use. We confiscate the drugs before a criminal uses them.
As someone who just went on an overseas trip, and ... (show quote)


WOW!!!!! mikee you sure have some misguided feelings/thoughts regarding the use of firearms. First off, here is a clue you might want to consider. The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is not about hunting or even self defense. It is about citizens maintaining control of the government, the government what works for We the People, not the other way around. You don't get to decide what firearms are owned by citizens or how they are carried. That was decided way back in 1789.

For your information it would be against federal law to hunt ducks with an AR-15, Colt Python, 10 gauge with a 25 round drum magazine or a MAC-10. You really need to look up the fish and game laws before you make idiotic irresponsible comments as you did. But it IS legal to hunt animals with everything you mentioned except the
MAC-10. Like many anti gun Left Wingers you have so much knowledge that is completely wrong and yet nothing anybody says here to contradict your ideas will be believed by you. What a shame you continue to believe the lies the Left puts out.

As for protecting our students, there are many things that could be done that are not being done. There could be more security at the doors. Surely even with 3000 students metal detectors could be used. Perhaps a number of metal detectors in fact. Schools could hire armed security guards. Doors could be locked when the school is in use.
Biden brags about Gun Free Zones being his idea. How is that working out for America? Post offices and banks as well as other government buildings are gun free zones. How is that working out for us? It would seem banks are still being robbed by armed criminals. Do you suppose nobody told those armed thugs it is against the law to take a firearm into a bank? What a shame, huh?

Of courser many guns will shoot through sheet rock walls. So what? Is there a point you wanted to make? You mention lockable doors and then sheet rock walls. You are aware sheet rock is normally not used for outer walls, right?

Please give us one, just ONE, law that could be enacted immediately that will stop murders in the future and/or would have stopped any murder in the past. Should be easy peasy, right?

Dennis

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