gwilliams6 wrote:
What camera are you using, and what is the quality and properties of your EVF, that can make a difference.
My cameras with EVFs (all Mirrorless):
Fuji X-T2
Fuji X-T4
Nikon Z7
Leica SL
They all do the same thing your Sony cameras do: The EVFs simulate the JPEG the camera will create which will produce a different view of the scene than an OVF.
gwilliams6 wrote:
None of your arguments hold any technical relationship to my gear and how I am using it.
That's wrong and you said so yourself. You said; "Mirrorless with an EVF is my preference because you can see the effect of all your exposure settings, filters, etc. in the EVF..." I assume you're referring there to your own gear.
And you're still missing the point entirely. Your camera's EVF simulates the JPEG that the camera will create. Refer to the illustration I presented above. Given the exposure I set my Fuji X-T2 presented in the EVF an overexposed image with blown out highlights. However the exposure I set did not blow highlights on the sensor. It was an ideal sensor exposure and the exposure I intended. An OVF would not have forced me to look at an overexposed image with blown highlights in order to get an ideal sensor exposure.
bwana
Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
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On your right is my processed image and it's a pretty fair representation of that iris and what it looked like out in the garden a couple hours ago. In practical terms, an OVF would have shown me an image much more faithful to the iris I photographed. I'd prefer that to what you see here on your left. I think the difference shown has practical implications for using the camera and in photographic terms it is certainly both measurable and quantifiable.[/quote]
Based on your two images I wouldn't want your camera.
bwa
DSLR, mirrorless or I Phone, no difference in the end result if you know how to nail the composition.
If I was obsessive about landscapes in the 24x36 format, I'd get mirrorless. So many advances in lenses, vibration reduction, mounts, and sensor technology etc.
The biggest difference / advantage for me is seeing what the image will look like prior to taking the shot.
It doesn't matter what is in front of your camera if a mirror is still sitting behind the lens.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
Bill_de wrote:
For those landscape photographers who are dedicated to the genre, does it make a difference?
Just curious
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NO. YOU make the difference. Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
Bill_de wrote:
For those landscape photographers who are dedicated to the genre, does it make a difference?
Just curious
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I'm still lugging a D750 around but have been thinking of going mirrorless for hiking.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
bbrown5154 wrote:
I'm still lugging a D750 around but have been thinking of going mirrorless for hiking.
Mirrorless camera's, on the whole with lens attached, are not that much different in weight than what you already have.
Bill_de wrote:
For those landscape photographers who are dedicated to the genre, does it make a difference?
Just curious
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As a landscape shooter who moved from Canon 5Div to Canon R5 (with the Canon R as an intermediate, exploratory step), I generally agree with the sentiment that if one is knowledgeable about and properly uses either genre there should be no noticeable difference in the images produced.
But for me, mirrorless is easier. In addition to advantages others have listed, including exposure info available in the EVF, no mirror slap, etc., I would add one: focus peaking. In landscape shooting, we usually want great depth of field. Focus peaking makes achieving this goal much easier than with the depth of field preview button on DSLRs and film cameras.
I often use auto focus to focus at a point likely to produce desired DOF, then switch the lens to manual focus momentarily. Doing so highlights all portions of the scene that are in focus (in either viewfinder or on the rear screen), outlining the objects in color (red or blue, I think, are the choices offered by the R5). This visual information either confirms my choice of focal point or demonstrates the need to adjust the focal point. I find this mirrorless feature invaluable in achieving desired DOF results from a single shot versus resorting to focus stacking, which is more time consuming in both field and post-processing.
DRM wrote:
As a landscape shooter who moved from Canon 5Div to Canon R5 (with the Canon R as an intermediate, exploratory step), I generally agree with the sentiment that if one is knowledgeable about and properly uses either genre there should be no noticeable difference in the images produced.
But for me, mirrorless is easier. In addition to advantages others have listed, including exposure info available in the EVF, no mirror slap, etc., I would add one: focus peaking. In landscape shooting, we usually want great depth of field. Focus peaking makes achieving this goal much easier than with the depth of field preview button on DSLRs and film cameras.
I often use auto focus to focus at a point likely to produce desired DOF, then switch the lens to manual focus momentarily. Doing so highlights all portions of the scene that are in focus (in either viewfinder or on the rear screen), outlining the objects in color (red or blue, I think, are the choices offered by the R5). This visual information either confirms my choice of focal point or demonstrates the need to adjust the focal point. I find this mirrorless feature invaluable in achieving desired DOF results from a single shot versus resorting to focus stacking, which is more time consuming in both field and post-processing.
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Nikon D780 and D850 have focus peaking. I have never used it, but now that you brought it to my I think I will give it a try with the D850. Thank you very much!
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I was not aware that ANY DSLRs offer focus peaking. My Canons did not. Kudos to Nikon! And yes, I would definitely recommend using that feature. I think you will find it very useful!
Ysarex wrote:
No, EVFs show you how camera settings for color balance, filters, tone curve, exposure etc. are going to effect the camera created JPEG. That's not my image and not an image I'm interested in seeing. If anything it's in the way, as I said an annoyance, while I'm working on my image.
I did say, "I wouldn't trade the EVF exposure aids to go back to an optical finder." I use mirrorless cameras, but one function of OVFs that I'd still rather have is an unadulterated clean view of the scene I'm photographing. Seems you still haven't understood that.
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I imagine you never watch television...or listen to the radio either...
I went from Canon 5D Mark II, 6D Mark II, 70D and SL1 with an arsenal of EF lenses to jist an R6 and R10 with an arsenal of RF and a few EF lenses. The differences in size and weight of cameras and lenses, plus IBIS, make all the differences in ease of use. Most of the times now I don't even carry a tripod to shots, but hand-hold or just lean against something.
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