Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Nobody denies “climate change”, conservators just know that climate change has been occurring for billions of years. The people on the left seem to think that climate change is a new thing. 🤣

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

Actually conservatives for years have accepted climate change as a natural phenomenon.

Conservatives have disagreed with liberals/progressives on many other things, including:
1. the extent to which climate change is understood
2. the extent to which climate change can be predicted to any accurate degree
3. the extent to which human behavior is responsible for observed climate change
4. even if human behavior is largely responsible for climate change, the extent to which the culprit is really CO2
5. that conversion from fossil fuels to electric vehicle technology is its current state is better for the environment, as opposed to continuing the use of fossil fuels until a more energy-efficient and environmentally-friendly alternative has been developed

As a result of the above, current governmental actions are by nature political, EV mandates (like lockdown, mask-wearing and immunization mandates) are a power grab, plus very very financially rewarding to the consults, manufacturers and vendors of the new mandated technology.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Do you think that if the Left had not politicized "climate change", there really wouldn't be so much resistance to policies to implement "protections" for the environment?

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Are you saying that you also tolerate microplastics and PFAS 'forever chemicals' in the food chain and in most mammals blood to 'own the libs'?

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

The Left did more than politicize climate change. They made climate change a new religion, based on faith in certain beliefs, rather than on scientific proof. Like with faulty masks studies, vaccine studies and lockdown studies, they only accept the the ones that confirm their beliefs, and they deny any evidence to the contrary.

As a result the true believers on the Left refuse to acknowledge the detrimental social, environmental and economic effects of their planned solutions to climate change, particularly when it comes to EVs.

The politicization came about when it became acceptable to declare opposing views to be blasphemy and subject to cancellation, after which politicians were bought off by those who stood to make their fortunes via the climate change industrial complex.

So no, I don't think those who see the mistakes the Left is making and the shortcomings of current policies, would be offering less resistance.

Absolutely not.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Forget rising sea levels ... we've well and truly buggered the "Garden" with just ordinary environmental degradation.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Ummm. I believe the discussion is about climate change not pollution.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Got it ... mutually exclusive.

btbg

Tex, the thing is that China, India, as well as much of the third world does far more damage to the environment than the west, which tends to have more environmental regulations. Do you honestly think that if Australia stopped all plastics, all co2 production and took other drastic measures to protect the environment at the expense of the economy that it would really make a difference to the world's well-being.

That's the biggest thing that the environmentalists are missing. Conservation, deforestation, plastics, and other environmental problems are a worldwide problem. A regional or even national change is going to have minimal if any impact. Thus the economic cost of any changes must be taken into account as China is going to continue to pollute and when we foolishly farm out all of our manufacturing to China and go to EVs, where the industry is dominated by the Chinese, that is not going to help the environment. It is actually causing harm because the U.S. would mine lithium and manufacture much more clearly than China is going to do.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Who said business-as-usual environmental degradation was not a world wide problem? Certainly not me. That's the problem.

btbg

Yes, but you are supporting policy that is moving manufacturing from places with environmental laws to places without those laws. Those well-meaning environmental policies are making the situation worse. For example, China wouldn't be building dozens of new coal-fired power plants if they were not needing the power for increased manufacturing and mining.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Quit telling me what I support.

I said - "Forget rising sea levels ... we've well and truly buggered the "Garden" with just ordinary environmental degradation." My was response to the ... "The climate has always been changing" crowd. "It's got nothing to do with man!" crowd.

I've discounted 'the old brown deal' as of no consequence to the accelerated climate change we see today. The legacy of our/man's past environmental degradation and what 7 billion new people can do is enough to ultimately sink us.

btbg

What do you mean quit telling you what you support? You have shown over the course of the last several years that you support liberal and progressive causes. Those causes include things like the Paris Accords, which you have never said you don't support. In fact if I remember correctly you were derisive about Trump when he pulled us out of the accords.

It just happens that the Paris Accords are bad for the environment because they are pushing industry to China and away from the west, making things worse, not better.

I have no idea what you mean about the "old brown deal". I don't even know what you are talking about there. The other thing that puzzles me about the anti oil crowd, no, I don't know if you are in that crowd or not, is that the earth and the people on it are far better off because of oil than we would be if we had not used oil.

Because if you think oil pollutes you should see how much pollution there is from fires in places that still don't have electricity or oil. The world has benefited far more from big oil than it has been harmed by big oil. We have a multitude of helpful products that have been produced with and from oil. I acknowledge that we also have materials like plastic made with oil that have caused harm.

And, you are still completely ignoring that sending industry to China is causing far more environmental harm than if the industry were still in the U.S.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

These are your hobby horses, you sound just like Trump when he finds out something most people already know

" ... sending industry to China is causing far more environmental harm than if the industry were still in the U.S. Not many people know that."

Your Lib list forgot ... prosecuting all the Jan 6 failed coup plotters to the full extent of the law.

btbg

You should have watched Tucker Carlson last night. I don't normally watch the pompous a$$ but I watched last night because the video evidence proves the 1/6 committee lied through their teeth.

There is video of the Capitol Police giving people guided tours. Those same people were later prosecuted for inciting violence. Their attorneys were not allowed to use the video proof because it was supposedly classified. And it shows that they were peaceful did not incite violence and were only guilty of trespassing.

It showed that Sidnik who was supposedly killed by protesters was waving them in after he was supposedly already dead. And the video proved that Loudermilk did not help provide reconosence for the rioters earlier in the week.

It also proved that Hawley did not run like a coward like the committee claimed. Instead he was the last person out in a group that was being escorted by Capitol Police.

In other words the whole 1/6 committee was proven to be a sham.