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Gun Laws Have Disproportionate Impact on Black Communities
Jan 19, 2023 14:05:06   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproportionate-impact-black-communities-opinion-1775104

The following is a lightly edited transcript of remarks made by Jeff Charles during a Newsweek debate about gun control laws being racist. You can listen to the podcast here: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/2b92b8ef-8b50-4534-838c-f8b0e8ee8b00.mp3

The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. And if you look at the lives that are taken by gun violence, it's a very minuscule percentage that are taken by these so-called weapons of war, which are not weapons of war. These are not weapons that the military uses. People actually use AR 15s for hunting. There's a lot of people who do. There's a lot of people who use it for home defense. And you have the right to have that. And to me, this whole assault weapon hysteria is just a precursor to putting restrictions on the more commonly used guns that are actually used in gun violence: handguns. There's no good reason to deprive responsible law-abiding citizens of the right to bear these arms.

The very roots of the gun control movement in America were designed to disarm black people as slaves even as they became freedmen, because they would use these to protect themselves from external racist threats. So as time went on, they had to change the nature of these laws because you can't pass laws saying we don't want black people owning guns, but now they do it in a way that's a lot more subtle. And I'm not necessarily talking about assault weapons bans, although that could classify. But if you take the Supreme Court's decision in Bruen for instance, and the measures that California, New York, and New Jersey are passing to get around that ruling, what they're doing is making it much harder for black Americans to legally get firearms to protect themselves. It has a disproportionate impact on black communities.

And by the way, when we're talking about this homicide wave that happened over the past three years, who was disproportionately the victims of that? That would be black Americans. And despite a lot of these laws, gun ownership in the black community has been going up, because black people recognize that the government's not going to be there to save them, it's not going to protect them, and that they need to be able to defend themselves. But when you have these licensing schemes that have exorbitant fees just to get a license to carry, and all these taxes that they pile along with all of these requirements which cost more money, then you basically have to be a middle class or upper class white person to be able to legally own a firearm, which puts a lot of black people in a position where they have to carry anyway in violation of the law, which further exposes them to being arrested and sent to jail. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who obtain their guns illegally outside of the law. These aren't gang members who went to the local gun store, went through the background check, got a gun, and then went out and shot somebody. These are people who got them illegally. So, when you restrict black gun ownership or try to curtail it, you're leaving black people a lot more vulnerable. To me, it's absurd. You're actually making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.

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Jan 19, 2023 14:45:17   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproportionate-impact-black-communities-opinion-1775104

The following is a lightly edited transcript of remarks made by Jeff Charles during a Newsweek debate about gun control laws being racist. You can listen to the podcast here: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/2b92b8ef-8b50-4534-838c-f8b0e8ee8b00.mp3

The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. And if you look at the lives that are taken by gun violence, it's a very minuscule percentage that are taken by these so-called weapons of war, which are not weapons of war. These are not weapons that the military uses. People actually use AR 15s for hunting. There's a lot of people who do. There's a lot of people who use it for home defense. And you have the right to have that. And to me, this whole assault weapon hysteria is just a precursor to putting restrictions on the more commonly used guns that are actually used in gun violence: handguns. There's no good reason to deprive responsible law-abiding citizens of the right to bear these arms.

The very roots of the gun control movement in America were designed to disarm black people as slaves even as they became freedmen, because they would use these to protect themselves from external racist threats. So as time went on, they had to change the nature of these laws because you can't pass laws saying we don't want black people owning guns, but now they do it in a way that's a lot more subtle. And I'm not necessarily talking about assault weapons bans, although that could classify. But if you take the Supreme Court's decision in Bruen for instance, and the measures that California, New York, and New Jersey are passing to get around that ruling, what they're doing is making it much harder for black Americans to legally get firearms to protect themselves. It has a disproportionate impact on black communities.

And by the way, when we're talking about this homicide wave that happened over the past three years, who was disproportionately the victims of that? That would be black Americans. And despite a lot of these laws, gun ownership in the black community has been going up, because black people recognize that the government's not going to be there to save them, it's not going to protect them, and that they need to be able to defend themselves. But when you have these licensing schemes that have exorbitant fees just to get a license to carry, and all these taxes that they pile along with all of these requirements which cost more money, then you basically have to be a middle class or upper class white person to be able to legally own a firearm, which puts a lot of black people in a position where they have to carry anyway in violation of the law, which further exposes them to being arrested and sent to jail. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who obtain their guns illegally outside of the law. These aren't gang members who went to the local gun store, went through the background check, got a gun, and then went out and shot somebody. These are people who got them illegally. So, when you restrict black gun ownership or try to curtail it, you're leaving black people a lot more vulnerable. To me, it's absurd. You're actually making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproporti... (show quote)



Libs despise the truth and facts.

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Jan 19, 2023 16:50:29   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproportionate-impact-black-communities-opinion-1775104

The following is a lightly edited transcript of remarks made by Jeff Charles during a Newsweek debate about gun control laws being racist. You can listen to the podcast here: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/2b92b8ef-8b50-4534-838c-f8b0e8ee8b00.mp3

The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. And if you look at the lives that are taken by gun violence, it's a very minuscule percentage that are taken by these so-called weapons of war, which are not weapons of war. These are not weapons that the military uses. People actually use AR 15s for hunting. There's a lot of people who do. There's a lot of people who use it for home defense. And you have the right to have that. And to me, this whole assault weapon hysteria is just a precursor to putting restrictions on the more commonly used guns that are actually used in gun violence: handguns. There's no good reason to deprive responsible law-abiding citizens of the right to bear these arms.

The very roots of the gun control movement in America were designed to disarm black people as slaves even as they became freedmen, because they would use these to protect themselves from external racist threats. So as time went on, they had to change the nature of these laws because you can't pass laws saying we don't want black people owning guns, but now they do it in a way that's a lot more subtle. And I'm not necessarily talking about assault weapons bans, although that could classify. But if you take the Supreme Court's decision in Bruen for instance, and the measures that California, New York, and New Jersey are passing to get around that ruling, what they're doing is making it much harder for black Americans to legally get firearms to protect themselves. It has a disproportionate impact on black communities.

And by the way, when we're talking about this homicide wave that happened over the past three years, who was disproportionately the victims of that? That would be black Americans. And despite a lot of these laws, gun ownership in the black community has been going up, because black people recognize that the government's not going to be there to save them, it's not going to protect them, and that they need to be able to defend themselves. But when you have these licensing schemes that have exorbitant fees just to get a license to carry, and all these taxes that they pile along with all of these requirements which cost more money, then you basically have to be a middle class or upper class white person to be able to legally own a firearm, which puts a lot of black people in a position where they have to carry anyway in violation of the law, which further exposes them to being arrested and sent to jail. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who obtain their guns illegally outside of the law. These aren't gang members who went to the local gun store, went through the background check, got a gun, and then went out and shot somebody. These are people who got them illegally. So, when you restrict black gun ownership or try to curtail it, you're leaving black people a lot more vulnerable. To me, it's absurd. You're actually making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproporti... (show quote)


If anyone really wants a good conspiracy theory to promote, this is one:

Make getting guns harder to do, thereby “making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.”

Sounds like this is the plan!

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Jan 19, 2023 22:19:03   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
A gun law passed in Illinois this month outlawing many so called assault weapons is being challenged as being unconstitutional. The sheriff's departments in many counties are vowing to not enforce the new law. Most of the state of Illinois is Red but the Chicago metropolitan area with the majority of the state's population is Blue.

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Jan 20, 2023 04:34:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JRiepe wrote:
A gun law passed in Illinois this month outlawing many so called assault weapons is being challenged as being unconstitutional. The sheriff's departments in many counties are vowing to not enforce the new law. Most of the state of Illinois is Red but the Chicago metropolitan area with the majority of the state's population is Blue.


That is typical of most "Blue" states where one or 2 large democrat controlled cities viciously rule the rest of the state.
PA is the same.

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Jan 20, 2023 06:50:06   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
That is typical of most "Blue" states where one or 2 large democrat controlled cities viciously rule the rest of the state.
PA is the same.


One of the Sheriffs here in NY offered this up with an exagerated wink when asked what his office would do if someone called and reported large capacity magazines on a property.

"Well we would need to investigate of course, but would be very limited without an actual search warrant or other mitigating circumstances. Of course, even with a search warrant, we legally could not open, search, or sieze something in a sealed container with a mailing address and uncancelled US postage affixed as it would be property of the USPS until it was delivered to the receipient."

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Jan 20, 2023 09:13:07   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-county-attorneys/what-are-the-illinois-laws-regarding-underage-possession-of-firearms#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20hunting%20or%20target,who%20is%2021%20or%20older.

In Illinois anyone under 18 years of age must be accompanied by someone age 21 or older to hunt. Many youths living in the country love to hunt just as I did when growing up on a farm. In the US there are approx. 75 fatal hunting accidents per year. I don't know how this breaks down as far as those under or over 18 years of age. But I feel this law is grossly unfair to those several years younger who love to hunt. I was carrying a shotgun and hunting by myself at the age of 11 or 12. City dwellers who have never hunted, owned a gun or experienced country life pass these ridiculous laws.

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Jan 20, 2023 11:14:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JRiepe wrote:
https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-county-attorneys/what-are-the-illinois-laws-regarding-underage-possession-of-firearms#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20hunting%20or%20target,who%20is%2021%20or%20older.

In Illinois anyone under 18 years of age must be accompanied by someone age 21 or older to hunt. Many youths living in the country love to hunt just as I did when growing up on a farm. In the US there are approx. 75 fatal hunting accidents per year. I don't know how this breaks down as far as those under or over 18 years of age. But I feel this law is grossly unfair to those several years younger who love to hunt. I was carrying a shotgun and hunting by myself at the age of 11 or 12. City dwellers who have never hunted, owned a gun or experienced country life pass these ridiculous laws.
https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-county-attorneys/wh... (show quote)



I got my .22 rifle at 8 and my friends did too.
We roamed all-over as a "gang" shooting targets of opportunity.
We never shot a person, animal, building or anything. We took the guns to school, left them in the principal's office then retrieved them after school to go shooting.

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Jan 20, 2023 12:14:06   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Wyantry wrote:
If anyone really wants a good conspiracy theory to promote, this is one:

Make getting guns harder to do, thereby “making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.”

Sounds like this is the plan!


For one thing, you would be crazy to live near the southern border without a gun.

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Jan 20, 2023 12:29:17   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Fotoartist wrote:
For one thing, you would be crazy to live near the southern border without a gun.


True.
I have always driven it in AZ with a rifle and a pistol and ammo.

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Jan 20, 2023 12:36:44   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Architect1776 wrote:
True.
I have always driven it in AZ with a rifle and a pistol and ammo.


I should have said, you could be caught dead living near the southern border without a gun.

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Jan 20, 2023 12:43:01   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
I got my first BB gun at age 6, my first 22 single shot rifle at age 11, (my father a WWI vet. said single shot so I would not waste ammunition.) and used both under supervision until I got my Boy Scout rifle merit badge. After that I was free to use the 22 on my own. I did not get a revolver until I was 16 and working during the summer. I went into a Coast to Coast store and there was a nine shot Harrington Richardson 22 revolver for $18.00 I bought it and then asked the salesman if I needed anything to carry it. I was thinking of a license but he said OH you will need a holster. I bought the holster and a box of long rifle ammo. loaded the gun, strapped to my waist and walked out of the store. Do that today and it is jail time.

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Jan 20, 2023 12:53:20   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproportionate-impact-black-communities-opinion-1775104

The following is a lightly edited transcript of remarks made by Jeff Charles during a Newsweek debate about gun control laws being racist. You can listen to the podcast here: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/2b92b8ef-8b50-4534-838c-f8b0e8ee8b00.mp3

The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. And if you look at the lives that are taken by gun violence, it's a very minuscule percentage that are taken by these so-called weapons of war, which are not weapons of war. These are not weapons that the military uses. People actually use AR 15s for hunting. There's a lot of people who do. There's a lot of people who use it for home defense. And you have the right to have that. And to me, this whole assault weapon hysteria is just a precursor to putting restrictions on the more commonly used guns that are actually used in gun violence: handguns. There's no good reason to deprive responsible law-abiding citizens of the right to bear these arms.

The very roots of the gun control movement in America were designed to disarm black people as slaves even as they became freedmen, because they would use these to protect themselves from external racist threats. So as time went on, they had to change the nature of these laws because you can't pass laws saying we don't want black people owning guns, but now they do it in a way that's a lot more subtle. And I'm not necessarily talking about assault weapons bans, although that could classify. But if you take the Supreme Court's decision in Bruen for instance, and the measures that California, New York, and New Jersey are passing to get around that ruling, what they're doing is making it much harder for black Americans to legally get firearms to protect themselves. It has a disproportionate impact on black communities.

And by the way, when we're talking about this homicide wave that happened over the past three years, who was disproportionately the victims of that? That would be black Americans. And despite a lot of these laws, gun ownership in the black community has been going up, because black people recognize that the government's not going to be there to save them, it's not going to protect them, and that they need to be able to defend themselves. But when you have these licensing schemes that have exorbitant fees just to get a license to carry, and all these taxes that they pile along with all of these requirements which cost more money, then you basically have to be a middle class or upper class white person to be able to legally own a firearm, which puts a lot of black people in a position where they have to carry anyway in violation of the law, which further exposes them to being arrested and sent to jail. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who obtain their guns illegally outside of the law. These aren't gang members who went to the local gun store, went through the background check, got a gun, and then went out and shot somebody. These are people who got them illegally. So, when you restrict black gun ownership or try to curtail it, you're leaving black people a lot more vulnerable. To me, it's absurd. You're actually making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproporti... (show quote)


Bull shit.

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Jan 20, 2023 13:12:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproportionate-impact-black-communities-opinion-1775104

The following is a lightly edited transcript of remarks made by Jeff Charles during a Newsweek debate about gun control laws being racist. You can listen to the podcast here: https://rss.art19.com/episodes/2b92b8ef-8b50-4534-838c-f8b0e8ee8b00.mp3

The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms. And if you look at the lives that are taken by gun violence, it's a very minuscule percentage that are taken by these so-called weapons of war, which are not weapons of war. These are not weapons that the military uses. People actually use AR 15s for hunting. There's a lot of people who do. There's a lot of people who use it for home defense. And you have the right to have that. And to me, this whole assault weapon hysteria is just a precursor to putting restrictions on the more commonly used guns that are actually used in gun violence: handguns. There's no good reason to deprive responsible law-abiding citizens of the right to bear these arms.

The very roots of the gun control movement in America were designed to disarm black people as slaves even as they became freedmen, because they would use these to protect themselves from external racist threats. So as time went on, they had to change the nature of these laws because you can't pass laws saying we don't want black people owning guns, but now they do it in a way that's a lot more subtle. And I'm not necessarily talking about assault weapons bans, although that could classify. But if you take the Supreme Court's decision in Bruen for instance, and the measures that California, New York, and New Jersey are passing to get around that ruling, what they're doing is making it much harder for black Americans to legally get firearms to protect themselves. It has a disproportionate impact on black communities.

And by the way, when we're talking about this homicide wave that happened over the past three years, who was disproportionately the victims of that? That would be black Americans. And despite a lot of these laws, gun ownership in the black community has been going up, because black people recognize that the government's not going to be there to save them, it's not going to protect them, and that they need to be able to defend themselves. But when you have these licensing schemes that have exorbitant fees just to get a license to carry, and all these taxes that they pile along with all of these requirements which cost more money, then you basically have to be a middle class or upper class white person to be able to legally own a firearm, which puts a lot of black people in a position where they have to carry anyway in violation of the law, which further exposes them to being arrested and sent to jail. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who obtain their guns illegally outside of the law. These aren't gang members who went to the local gun store, went through the background check, got a gun, and then went out and shot somebody. These are people who got them illegally. So, when you restrict black gun ownership or try to curtail it, you're leaving black people a lot more vulnerable. To me, it's absurd. You're actually making people more vulnerable to the people who don't follow the law.
https://www.newsweek.com/gun-laws-have-disproporti... (show quote)


Interesting how gun laws are now applied disproportionately to those who are not black and it appears that blacks get a pass.
Note the banning of stop and frisk in NYC. Only non-blacks will be harrased now.

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