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Nov 8, 2012 13:48:53   #
twincreek
 
yhtomit wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of the nation they were trying to kill. Don't Cry for Me Argentina is a perfect example.

The American People spoke and they seem to speak with wisdom.

A sharp huckster in an Armani suit tried to sell goods to folks who recognized the suit was empty. I am still curious just what the Mitt's policies were going to be. He had sold his soul to billionaires and right wing fanatics who put up straw men to knock down.

Now lets increase the flow of revenue to the treasury and pay down the debt. That is if the debt is so important as the right wing seems to say. If it is not, they will block any attempts to make it smaller. You know like in the Clinton years!

I cried too, but in joy!
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of t... (show quote)


The election proved more people like to ride in the red wagon than to pull the red wagon.

Romney was a milk toast candidate.You need to be mean,vile and without conscience to be a politician in the US.
quote=ole sarg When fascist lose they always bemo... (show quote)

You hit the nail on the head.

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Nov 8, 2012 13:51:53   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Reddog wrote:
I just watched Fox News for a while and nothing but DOOM And GLOOM. Change the channel folks, don't fall for scare tactics!


You are so right. Fox News does alot of doom and gloom. If every station used their same formatt we'd have a bunch of us walking around like zoombies thinking that the whole world was coming to an end soon and that there was no way we'd survive.

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Nov 8, 2012 13:52:25   #
twincreek
 
yhtomit wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of the nation they were trying to kill. Don't Cry for Me Argentina is a perfect example.

The American People spoke and they seem to speak with wisdom.

A sharp huckster in an Armani suit tried to sell goods to folks who recognized the suit was empty. I am still curious just what the Mitt's policies were going to be. He had sold his soul to billionaires and right wing fanatics who put up straw men to knock down.

Now lets increase the flow of revenue to the treasury and pay down the debt. That is if the debt is so important as the right wing seems to say. If it is not, they will block any attempts to make it smaller. You know like in the Clinton years!

I cried too, but in joy!
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of t... (show quote)


The election proved more people like to ride in the red wagon than to pull the red wagon.

Romney was a milk toast candidate.You need to be mean,vile and without conscience to be a politician in the US.
quote=ole sarg When fascist lose they always bemo... (show quote)

You hit the nail on the head.
And Yes it is very important but you will never pay it down by raising taxes and continue to spend.

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Nov 8, 2012 13:57:04   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
ngc1514 wrote:
wbym300 wrote:
To anyone who can answer this question. If we the USA are borrowing .40 of every dollar spent, How will we the USA pay for all our "free stuff" and pay down any debt. Or are we not interested in paying down debt? I did not understand from the debates how Obama plans to accomplish that. Thanks all for a great forum.

That is a problem, isn't it? And why the Republicans are responsible for most of the national debt with their "borrow and spend" economics. The Democrats are trying a pay as you go plan with the dreaded "tax and spend" anathema.

None of it is "free stuff." None, but the most uneducated among us, believe that.

So, the question is: do you want a "pay as you go" plan with tax and spend or a "let's borrow trillions from China" with a borrow and spend plan? Borrow and spend didn't work for Reagan, Bush I or Bush II. It has also not worked for Obama because no one wants to actually pay the money back that's being borrowed. That would result in tax increases and we know who is dead set against any tax increase.

Ideally, someone would think about cutting government spending, but neither major political party has taken that route in any practical, efficient manner.
quote=wbym300 To anyone who can answer this quest... (show quote)


The Democrats' policy isn't just "tax and spend" idiocy. It's "borrow and spend", "tax and spend", "QE3 and spend", and "where's my Visa card and spend". Why do you think they haven't approved a budget for the past three years?

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Nov 8, 2012 13:59:19   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
twincreek wrote:
yhtomit wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of the nation they were trying to kill. Don't Cry for Me Argentina is a perfect example.

The American People spoke and they seem to speak with wisdom.

A sharp huckster in an Armani suit tried to sell goods to folks who recognized the suit was empty. I am still curious just what the Mitt's policies were going to be. He had sold his soul to billionaires and right wing fanatics who put up straw men to knock down.

Now lets increase the flow of revenue to the treasury and pay down the debt. That is if the debt is so important as the right wing seems to say. If it is not, they will block any attempts to make it smaller. You know like in the Clinton years!

I cried too, but in joy!
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of t... (show quote)


The election proved more people like to ride in the red wagon than to pull the red wagon.

Romney was a milk toast candidate.You need to be mean,vile and without conscience to be a politician in the US.
quote=ole sarg When fascist lose they always bemo... (show quote)

You hit the nail on the head.
quote=yhtomit quote=ole sarg When fascist lose t... (show quote)


Right on Sarge: I watched his conceding speech. I thought it was filled with bitter tones rather than words of praise and future hope.

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Nov 8, 2012 14:02:29   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is more telling then the national map.

I find two news outlets that I find non-offending. FOX & the BBC. Both tell me things I am not happy about, but I find it harder to tell what their personal opinion is when they are supposed to be telling us the facts. Liberals don't like FOX because they don't like any other side of a story but their own. I assume they don't like the BBC either- but would have a harder time trashing them due to political views.



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Nov 8, 2012 14:05:25   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
RichieC wrote:
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is more telling then the national map.

I find two news outlets that I find non-offending. FOX & the BBC.


I think it has to due with tall buildings. The closer you get to tall buildings the more likely you are to have leftie voters.

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Nov 8, 2012 14:07:45   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
Okay folks, calm down. How about term limits for all politicians?

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Nov 8, 2012 14:09:22   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
Pentony wrote:
Okay folks, calm down. How about term limits for all politicians?


NOW YOU ARE TALKING! And congress shall pass no laws or programs that are exclusively theirs... You'd see a better health care and SS system immediately.

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Nov 8, 2012 14:22:14   #
darkonc
 
handgunner wrote:

LAST NIGHT I CRIED (Written by Anna)

I cried last night for a Great Nation lost as we know it.

I cried last night for all the children who will never know but by story about what a great Nation this was as some parents, the grandparents and great grandparents knows it now.

I cried last night for each unborn baby that won't have chance to have dreams.


I cried when Obamma got in in 2008. They were tears of relief. For me, the first Bush years had been tolerable, but after 9/11 it went to hell in a handbasket.
I had seen civil rights like the right to be presumed innocent, and habeas corpus being chipped at (it always starts with 'enemies' -- Jews in nazi Germany, communists during the McCarthy era, and now 'terrorists').
I saw people in the supposedly most democratic country in the world afraid to voice criticism of their political leader for fear of being branded un-american.
I saw the most militarized country in the world go to war on questionable 'evidence' with money it didn't have
I saw tens of thousands needlessly die, and/or be tortured in the name of civil rights .. and each time that happened, another enemy of the west was born.
I saw a 'free press' being increasingly put into a box, and told what to say.
I saw an election run as much on a question of race, as policies.
I saw people calling for war, hatred, intolerance and capitol punishment, turn around and call themselves loving pro-life christians -- as if they'd never read the new testament.
I cried tears of relief because I saw the powers of hatred, volence, greed and intolerance pushed back, if only for a few years.
I cried tears of relief because I'm of mixed race, myself, and I saw that the power of racism was losing sway in the US.

This election, I was less worried.
I knew that Romney was promising to raise taxes for the poor and cut services in order to drop taxes for the super rich, and
I knew that he was promising to destroy a health insurance law that -- although a compromise, gave the middle class some real hope of being able to survive a chronic illness without financial ruin, and
I knew that we'd be in for at least a few years where belief would out-Trump truth in public policy -- but I felt that the momentum had been stayed for at least the moment
I also knew that Romney -- being a religious minority himself, was a bit less likely to go for rampant extremism.

Nonetheless, I breathed a sigh of relief.
I believe that Obama is more a voice of reason, and that he doesn't owe a blood-debt to billionaires who donated tens of millions of dollars each to his campaign to let them own the country.
I don't think that he's perfect, but I really do believe that he, and his team, are the better alternative.

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Nov 8, 2012 14:27:46   #
vikinguy Loc: Durham NC
 
twincreek wrote:
yhtomit wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of the nation they were trying to kill. Don't Cry for Me Argentina is a perfect example.

The American People spoke and they seem to speak with wisdom.

A sharp huckster in an Armani suit tried to sell goods to folks who recognized the suit was empty. I am still curious just what the Mitt's policies were going to be. He had sold his soul to billionaires and right wing fanatics who put up straw men to knock down.

Now lets increase the flow of revenue to the treasury and pay down the debt. That is if the debt is so important as the right wing seems to say. If it is not, they will block any attempts to make it smaller. You know like in the Clinton years!

I cried too, but in joy!
When fascist lose they always bemoan the fate of t... (show quote)


The election proved more people like to ride in the red wagon than to pull the red wagon.

Romney was a milk toast candidate.You need to be mean,vile and without conscience to be a politician in the US.
quote=ole sarg When fascist lose they always bemo... (show quote)

You hit the nail on the head.
quote=yhtomit quote=ole sarg When fascist lose t... (show quote)




No, no they didn't. Missed it by a couple miles.

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Nov 8, 2012 14:30:58   #
vikinguy Loc: Durham NC
 
RichieC wrote:
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is more telling then the national map.

I find two news outlets that I find non-offending. FOX & the BBC. Both tell me things I am not happy about, but I find it harder to tell what their personal opinion is when they are supposed to be telling us the facts. Liberals don't like FOX because they don't like any other side of a story but their own. I assume they don't like the BBC either- but would have a harder time trashing them due to political views.
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is mo... (show quote)





Telling in that the blue areas are where the educated people live in diverse communities?

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Nov 8, 2012 14:47:37   #
Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
bmazz wrote:
Sometimes old sayings can be trite; sometimes they're filled with wisdom, and as the saying goes, the "proof is in the pudding." But first, let's be clear it's the president's job to bring both sides together no matter how intractable one or the other side may appear. Few presidents in history have had both houses of Congress, therefore, the job of bringing the two sides together falls to the chief executive--that's why we elected him!

What was the unemployment rate when Obama took office--what is it today. What was the national debt when Obama took office and what is it today? What was the deficit when Obama took office and what is it today. What did Obama say about each of these issues when he took office and how closely did the results of his policies match his words?

Look not at what a man says, watch what he does. Words are cheap--results matter
Sometimes old sayings can be trite; sometimes they... (show quote)


I have been reading all the pages of everyone's rhetoric, the one that rings so true so far is this one by Bmazz. STOP LOOKING AT WHO IS BLAMING WHO, but look at 2008 when Obama made his "i will do this, speeches." HAS HE LIVED UP TO HIS
P R O M I S E S? Not one of them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, This past 4 years, Obama has been blaming everyone else for the countries problems...............Now, he has noone to blame any more, everyone will see him for what he really is, a good talker with nothing between his dumbo ears. I may be stepping on some bleeding heart liberals toes. But i too am entitled to my opinion, and i know that those same liberals will do their best to drown me out. But someone has to say it like it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rich

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Nov 8, 2012 14:59:14   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Please don't compare Fox with BBC FOX is all Gloom and DOOM. The actual newspeople on FOX are actually quite good its the commentators that suck! Unfortunately they are the ones that are on prime time. FOX commentators offend anyone who does any research at all. All people like to hear their side of the story both liberal and conservative. FOX is a mouthpiece for the GOP and MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the DEMS, How can anyone not see this is beyond me!
RichieC wrote:
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is more telling then the national map.

I find two news outlets that I find non-offending. FOX & the BBC. Both tell me things I am not happy about, but I find it harder to tell what their personal opinion is when they are supposed to be telling us the facts. Liberals don't like FOX because they don't like any other side of a story but their own. I assume they don't like the BBC either- but would have a harder time trashing them due to political views.
Here is the red vs blue map by county, which is mo... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2012 15:03:03   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
I am also tired of hearing that RATS Caused the Black Plague but its a fact and no matter how tired I get of hearing it it does not change! GWB caused this mess and like the Rats causing the Black Plague that fact does not change no matter how tired you get of hearing it!
Rich2236 wrote:
bmazz wrote:
Sometimes old sayings can be trite; sometimes they're filled with wisdom, and as the saying goes, the "proof is in the pudding." But first, let's be clear it's the president's job to bring both sides together no matter how intractable one or the other side may appear. Few presidents in history have had both houses of Congress, therefore, the job of bringing the two sides together falls to the chief executive--that's why we elected him!

What was the unemployment rate when Obama took office--what is it today. What was the national debt when Obama took office and what is it today? What was the deficit when Obama took office and what is it today. What did Obama say about each of these issues when he took office and how closely did the results of his policies match his words?

Look not at what a man says, watch what he does. Words are cheap--results matter
Sometimes old sayings can be trite; sometimes they... (show quote)


I have been reading all the pages of everyone's rhetoric, the one that rings so true so far is this one by Bmazz. STOP LOOKING AT WHO IS BLAMING WHO, but look at 2008 when Obama made his "i will do this, speeches." HAS HE LIVED UP TO HIS
P R O M I S E S? Not one of them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, This past 4 years, Obama has been blaming everyone else for the countries problems...............Now, he has noone to blame any more, everyone will see him for what he really is, a good talker with nothing between his dumbo ears. I may be stepping on some bleeding heart liberals toes. But i too am entitled to my opinion, and i know that those same liberals will do their best to drown me out. But someone has to say it like it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rich
quote=bmazz Sometimes old sayings can be trite; s... (show quote)

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